cogload
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Post by cogload on May 27, 2019 20:00:52 GMT
Ni Riada in serious trouble. SF are generally transfer toxic in the Republic.
Shame. Not.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 27, 2019 20:59:26 GMT
Frances Fitzgerald (FG) elected next in Dublin, Social Democrats excluded.
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Post by thinwhiteduke on May 27, 2019 22:08:53 GMT
Lynn Boylan has conceded. SF loss, after topping the poll in 2014.
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andrea
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Post by andrea on May 27, 2019 22:23:05 GMT
They are arguing with returning officer. Andrews and Daly are third and fourth. But Dublin has 3 seats that become 4 after Brexit.
The 4th candidate elected will take seat only after Brexit
Daly wants Boylan's vote to be redistributed. Andrews argues against saying that once you are elected, you are elected.
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Richard Allen
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Post by Richard Allen on May 27, 2019 22:27:58 GMT
To outsiders this seems bizarre in a supposedly modern western democracy. Presumably the pork barrel delivers? I’d also assume that the “simple country folk” image conceals sharp minds and even sharper organisation? I recall meeting someone who made me think of this - he ran a large, complex business and wanted some local help. He had a republican background. He tried some “simple soul” stuff with me.... The old man was arguably the top FF political operative in Kerry South for over 20 years. When he went independent he took a chunk of the FF machine with him and obviously his own considerable knowledge of political campaigning. What is interesting is how the family have continued to do so well, and arguably even better than he did. I think a big part of it is that as Ireland as become much more socially liberal and "modern" the divide between Dublin and places like rural Kerry is so much greater thus making it all the more easy for independents and small local parties to rally against the big parties. |
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Post by edgbaston on May 27, 2019 22:43:21 GMT
They are arguing with returning officer. Andrews and Daly are third and fourth. But Dublin has 3 seats that become 4 after Brexit. The 4th candidate elected will take seat only after Brexit Daly wants Boylan's vote to be redistributed. Andrews argues against saying that once you are elected, you are elected. Who could've foreseen this problem.. I use to admire STV. The on paper method is great. But in practice it turns out to be a confusing shambles time after time. |
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andrea
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Post by andrea on May 27, 2019 22:50:57 GMT
Count suspended in Dublin
They will sort the thing tomorrow
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YL
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Post by YL on May 28, 2019 13:01:46 GMT
They are arguing with returning officer. Andrews and Daly are third and fourth. But Dublin has 3 seats that become 4 after Brexit. The 4th candidate elected will take seat only after Brexit Daly wants Boylan's vote to be redistributed. Andrews argues against saying that once you are elected, you are elected. Daly overtook Andrews even without Boylan's votes being transferred, but it appears that they are going to count the transfers. |
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Post by obsie on May 28, 2019 13:40:38 GMT
They are arguing with returning officer. Andrews and Daly are third and fourth. But Dublin has 3 seats that become 4 after Brexit. The 4th candidate elected will take seat only after Brexit Daly wants Boylan's vote to be redistributed. Andrews argues against saying that once you are elected, you are elected. Who could've foreseen this problem.. I use to admire STV. The on paper method is great. But in practice it turns out to be a confusing shambles time after time. In this case, the confusion is over something that has never happened before and is unlikely ever to happen again, i.e. that not all the "elected" are immediately elected to their positions but instead some will be in suspended animation until the UK resolves its current nervous breakdown, either by retreating from the ledge or by jumping.
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YL
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Post by YL on May 28, 2019 16:45:26 GMT
Dublin has finished counting, with Daly (Ind 4 Change) getting the third seat and Andrews (FF) getting the Brexit-conditional fourth seat as expected. Cuffe (Green) and Fitzgerald (FG) got the first two.
The other two regions each have one FG candidate elected but still have a way to go.
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Post by thinwhiteduke on May 28, 2019 22:01:25 GMT
SF lose nearly half their councillors. Disastrous election.
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Post by thinwhiteduke on May 28, 2019 22:37:48 GMT
The 'Green wave' was a bit overstated. Excellent results in Dublin, but overall Labour remains ahead of them in terms of councillors and vote share.
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andrea
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Post by andrea on May 28, 2019 22:46:00 GMT
Midlands NW Euro constituency
3 still to be elected
Flanagan (Ind) 94,353
Carthy (SF) 83,851
Walsh (FG) 76,056
Casey (Ind) 64,690
McHugh (Green) 60,778
Smith ((FF)) 46,820
Rabbitte (FF) 34,610 ELIMINATED
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Post by Andrew_S on May 28, 2019 22:49:25 GMT
Wouldn't it be quicker to scan all the ballot papers into a computer and allow it to work out the STV allocations?
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andrea
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Post by andrea on May 29, 2019 0:11:51 GMT
Flanagan (Ind) 97,139
Carthy (SF) 84,825
Walsh (FG) 80,338
Casey (Ind) 66,565
Smith ((FF)) 64,532
McHugh (Green 61,957 ELIMINATED
They go to bed now
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Post by finsobruce on May 29, 2019 6:16:40 GMT
SF lose nearly half their councillors. Disastrous election. There are shellackings, and then there are shellackings.... |
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andrea
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Post by andrea on May 29, 2019 10:49:51 GMT
Ireland South currently is
Wallace 95,780
Kelleher (FF)89,036
Ri Niada (SF) 87,322
O Sullivan (Green) 84,741
Byrne (FF) 73,540
Clune (FG) 69,560
Doyle (FG) 41,416
Nunan (Lab) 25,958
4 seats left (but one of them is frozen until Brexit).
So I think Sinn Fein can lose also this one, even after Brexit as Greens can make up 2,500 gap with transfers and there is a FG seat somewhere there
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andrea
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Post by andrea on May 29, 2019 14:07:41 GMT
Trasnfers from Greens in Midlands North and West
Flanagan + 15,441 = 112,760
Walsh + 15,825 = 96,163
Carthy + 6,571 = 91,396
Casey + 3,358 = 69,923
Smith + 4,145 = 68,677 ELIMINATED
Next count is the last one
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Post by thinwhiteduke on May 29, 2019 14:45:35 GMT
All depends on Byrne's (FF) transfers, to whether Ni Riada or Clune take the last seat.
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YL
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Post by YL on May 29, 2019 19:06:53 GMT
All depends on Byrne's (FF) transfers, to whether Ni Riada or Clune take the last seat. Kelly (FG) elected Kelleher (FF) 131,652 elected Wallace (I4C) 109,149 Clune (FG) 97,935 O'Sullivan (Green) 96,095 Ní Riada (SF) 95,573 Kelleher has a surplus of about 12,000 to transfer next. |
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