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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 10, 2018 18:49:57 GMT
Joe Dromey, Lewisham Councillor, and son of Harriet Harman and Jack Dromey is the latest to announce. Informal message that only female BAME candidates should be shortlisted doesn’t seem to be gathering much traction. Like father, like son. |
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Post by timmullen1 on May 10, 2018 18:50:39 GMT
Then at less than 4’ tall I should clearly be the front-runner (and would also break another glass ceiling by becoming the first Labour MP called Tim/Timothy/or if you have a death wish, Timmy! How about John Timothy Grogan? As a used name; he’d only qualify as Timothy Grogan not John Grogan; rather like Xavier Portillo! |
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Post by mboy on May 10, 2018 19:02:37 GMT
Joe Dromey, Lewisham Councillor, and son of Harriet Harman and Jack Dromey is the latest to announce. Informal message that only female BAME candidates should be shortlisted doesn’t seem to be gathering much traction. Like father, like son. Yes - as his dad beat an all-women shortlist he should be able to go one step further! |
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Post by greenhert on May 10, 2018 19:38:00 GMT
As for non-Labour candidates, Lewisham Green Party have confirmed to me there will be a Green candidate in this by-election. Whether it is Storm Poorun again or not is TBC.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 10, 2018 19:41:47 GMT
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Post by alderman on May 10, 2018 20:06:18 GMT
Rachel Onikosi has formally announced her candidacy. She has just stood down as a local Councillor and as a Cabinet Member was responsible for the multi million pound investment in Beckenham Place Park in the constituency. An insider has told me her entry could be a game changer if the field is restricted to BAME females.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 20:15:17 GMT
That should be vertically challenged list Then at less than 4’ tall I should clearly be the front-runner (and would also break another glass ceiling by becoming the first Labour MP called Tim/Timothy/or if you have a death wish, Timmy! That’s it, we must have an all Tim shortlist. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2018 5:52:34 GMT
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Post by froome on May 11, 2018 6:08:18 GMT
Rachel Onikosi has formally announced her candidacy. She has just stood down as a local Councillor and as a Cabinet Member was responsible for the multi million pound investment in Beckenham Place Park in the constituency. An insider has told me her entry could be a game changer if the field is restricted to BAME females. Is Beckenham Place park in this constituency? I would have thought it fell either into Lewisham West and Penge or into Beckenham constituency. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on May 11, 2018 7:08:33 GMT
Sounds like it will be an all-woman shortlist, then an all-woman all-BAMEshortlist, then an all woman allBAME, all lesbian shortlist? Joe Dromey, it is, then. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on May 11, 2018 7:15:58 GMT
Sounds like it will be an all-woman shortlist, then an all-woman all-BAMEshortlist, then an all woman allBAME, all lesbian shortlist? Bloody carpet... carpetbaggers. |
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Post by timmullen1 on May 11, 2018 7:33:31 GMT
Rachel Onikosi has formally announced her candidacy. She has just stood down as a local Councillor and as a Cabinet Member was responsible for the multi million pound investment in Beckenham Place Park in the constituency. An insider has told me her entry could be a game changer if the field is restricted to BAME females. Is Beckenham Place park in this constituency? I would have thought it fell either into Lewisham West and Penge or into Beckenham constituency. Looks like it’s in the Borough but in Beckenham constituency by the postcode, although it could be large enough to overspill into LW&P. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on May 11, 2018 7:51:31 GMT
They're clearly hoping that the 21,000 majority from the 2017 GE is insurance enough against any reaction to that, justified or not. Labour does not always profit from engaging in these kind of gestures in this area, but I guess things have changed a bit in thirty years The problem with restricting the field to all-women, all-BAME (and all-LGBTQI ?), is that a lot of potentially decent candidates will be excluded. This isn't to say that the best candidate for the seat *won't* come from that pool, but Labour will be open to the accusation, should they do badly, that the wrong candidate was chosen, and the reasons were etc etc (see above). I understand Lewisham East does have quite a high proportion of BAME. But remember that our esteemed Home Secretary, Sajid Javid, represents one of the "whiter" seats in the Midlands, and that Birmingham Hall Green, with a very high BAME population, is represented by a white man, Roger Godsiff (I happen to think he's a lousy MP, but that's by-the-by). Going for the best candidate regardless of other considerations should be the rule of thumb every time. But then, I'm not a Labour member, and it's their lookout if it goes Pete Tong. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 11, 2018 7:56:55 GMT
Sounds like it will be an all-woman shortlist, then an all-woman all-BAMEshortlist, then an all woman allBAME, all lesbian shortlist? Bloody carpet... carpetbaggers. The odds have to be 3/1 or 33/1, as neilm will know. |
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Post by andrew111 on May 11, 2018 8:45:12 GMT
It will be interesting to see whether the Lib Dems go with the local white man who stood for Mayor last week, and got 22% in one of the Lewisham E wards, or parachute in a female or BAME candidate.
As far as voting goes, the vast majority of voters do not base their choice on ethnicity, and certainly where I live the Asian Lib Dem candidates in Huddersfield and Dewsbury got no traction at all in their communities against their white opponents... Where ethnicity does affect voting sometimes it is where communities feel hard done by at national level (eg. The Iraq war), or occasionally within the BAME grouping where there are many tensions..
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Post by Old Fashioned Leftie on May 11, 2018 8:46:21 GMT
All women shortlists have led to an increase in female representation within the PLP. Women now make up 45% of Labour MPs (compared to 21% of Conservatives). All women shortlists have had a significant impact on increasing female representation, without it I have serious doubts Labour would have reached a stage where we approach parity. The party may choose an AWS here, and may make it a BAME AWS - I would support this as a move towards a parliamentary party that more accurately reflects the people who live here.
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Post by maxque on May 11, 2018 9:04:08 GMT
Is Beckenham Place park in this constituency? I would have thought it fell either into Lewisham West and Penge or into Beckenham constituency. Looks like it’s in the Borough but in Beckenham constituency by the postcode, although it could be large enough to overspill into LW&P. The Park isn't in Beckenham (and none of Lewisham borough is in Beckenham constituency). The west part is in Lewisham West and Penge (Bellingham ward), the east part in Lewisham East (Downham ward), the limit being Thameslink. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 11, 2018 9:27:47 GMT
Labour does not always profit from engaging in these kind of gestures in this area, but I guess things have changed a bit in thirty years The problem .. Why have you edited my post before quoting it? |
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Post by justin124 on May 11, 2018 10:17:39 GMT
All women shortlists have led to an increase in female representation within the PLP. Women now make up 45% of Labour MPs (compared to 21% of Conservatives). All women shortlists have had a significant impact on increasing female representation, without it I have serious doubts Labour would have reached a stage where we approach parity. The party may choose an AWS here, and may make it a BAME AWS - I would support this as a move towards a parliamentary party that more accurately reflects the people who live here. I have never accepted the need for gender parity for its own sake , and on principle refuse to support a gender-vetted candidate. I live in the key marginal of Norwich North which did select from such a shortlist. As a result I will spoil my Ballot Paper at the General Election. |
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Post by The Bishop on May 11, 2018 10:22:25 GMT
All women shortlists have led to an increase in female representation within the PLP. Women now make up 45% of Labour MPs (compared to 21% of Conservatives). All women shortlists have had a significant impact on increasing female representation, without it I have serious doubts Labour would have reached a stage where we approach parity. The party may choose an AWS here, and may make it a BAME AWS - I would support this as a move towards a parliamentary party that more accurately reflects the people who live here. I have never accepted the need for gender parity for its own sake , and on principle refuse to support a gender-vetted candidate. I live in the key marginal of Norwich North which did select from such a shortlist. As a result I will spoil my Ballot Paper at the General Election. There's the rub, many think having a PLP vaguely representative of the actual British population brings more tangible benefits than just "looking better". |
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