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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 12, 2012 23:34:31 GMT
Anyways, the VVD has clearly established itself (as this is the Netherlands we must ad 'for now at least') as the conservative party of record; some very big increases in the rural municipalities the CDA won in 2010.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 12, 2012 23:36:58 GMT
Lovely (if predictable) result in Urk: 51.3% - SGP 18.0% - CU 12.7% - CDA 8.8% - PVV 6.3% - VVD 1.0% - PvdA 0.8% - SP 0.4% - Piraten I can't even begin to imagine what it's like to live there. The coffee shops there probably aren't even allowed to sell coffee |
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 12, 2012 23:38:44 GMT
You think they even allow shops?
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Post by nord on Sept 12, 2012 23:49:03 GMT
Anyways, the VVD has clearly established itself (as this is the Netherlands we must ad 'for now at least') as the conservative party of record; some very big increases in the rural municipalities the CDA won in 2010. The Conservative (''right'') party is PVV. Netherlands is unique in the sense it has no far right/racialist/ethno-nationalist party. |
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Post by johnloony on Sept 12, 2012 23:51:50 GMT
If the SGP / Bible belt is the Netherlands' Western isles, then Urk is the Netherlands' St Kilda  I like the bit about the dialect. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urk |
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Post by nord on Sept 12, 2012 23:53:18 GMT
I would probably equate PVV to the Islamoskeptic faction in UKIP (Lord Pearson for example).
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Post by Andrew_S on Sept 13, 2012 0:01:21 GMT
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Post by Andrew_S on Sept 13, 2012 0:18:17 GMT
With 81% counted parties which are either centre-right, right-wing or Christian to some degree are polling 50.2% combined.
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Post by johnloony on Sept 13, 2012 2:02:57 GMT
Netherlands is unique in the sense it has no far right/racialist/ethno-nationalist party. "Unique"? I presume you mean "unusual (by Western European standards)". |
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Post by yenton on Sept 13, 2012 9:46:17 GMT
Netherlands is unique in the sense it has no far right/racialist/ethno-nationalist party. "Unique"? I presume you mean "unusual (by Western European standards)". What about Ireland? On a different point does anyone know why the PvdA is so strong in the North? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2012 10:14:48 GMT
If the SGP / Bible belt is the Netherlands' Western isles, then Urk is the Netherlands' St Kilda I wonder if this means that it's actually quite remarkable that the Western Isles vote overwhelmingly for mainstream parties, and I don't think that can be attributed to FPTP in this case. I would probably equate PVV to the Islamoskeptic faction in UKIP (Lord Pearson for example). What I find most interesting about the PVV is that they're explicitly very gay-friendly. The idea seems to be that gay-friendliness is a fundamental Dutch/European/Western value that is being threatened by Muslims, and that gay people are therefore potential allies against Islam. You sometimes hear this viewpoint from the more 'respectable' wing of the EDL, but I don't feel that the Tory Right and UKIP have particularly embraced this sort of thinking (yet). |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 13, 2012 10:30:34 GMT
"Unique"? I presume you mean "unusual (by Western European standards)". What about Ireland? On a different point does anyone know why the PvdA is so strong in the North? I always assumed it was a case of Protestant (but secular) voters backing them in opposition to the Catholic dominated Centre/CD types similar to the pattern in Germany, but there may be socio-economic factors I'm not aware of |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 13, 2012 11:21:42 GMT
I always assumed it was a case of Protestant (but secular) voters backing them in opposition to the Catholic dominated Centre/CD types similar to the pattern in Germany, but there may be socio-economic factors I'm not aware of A substantial element of CDA support has always come from Protestants - the party was formed in the early 1970's through the merger of two Protestant parties with one Catholic one. Well again that is similar to the German pattern - plenty of Protestants vote for the CDU, but it is still the case that the SPD are strongest and the CDU weakest in the more Protestant regions. Obviously voting isn't on anything like as rigidly religious lines as in Northern Ireland but there is at least a correlation |
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Post by john07 on Sept 13, 2012 11:59:06 GMT
I always assumed it was a case of Protestant (but secular) voters backing them in opposition to the Catholic dominated Centre/CD types similar to the pattern in Germany, but there may be socio-economic factors I'm not aware of A substantial element of CDA support has always come from Protestants - the party was formed in the early 1970's through the merger of two Protestant parties with one Catholic one. They were very quaintly named Anti Revolutionary Party and the Christian Historical Union. Both appeared to have a very reactionary background. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2012 12:19:35 GMT
They were very quaintly named Anti Revolutionary Party and the Christian Historical Union. Both appeared to have a very reactionary background. I particularly like Wikipedia's description of the ARP's ideology: 'The ARP started out as an orthodox Protestant party, heavily opposed to the ideals of the French revolution. Against the revolution, they put the Bible: instead of liberty, it favoured divine providence, instead of equality it favoured hierarchy and instead of brotherhood it favoured sovereignty in its own circle. Its ideals could be summed up in the trio "God, the Netherlands and the House of Orange".' Perhaps that's why nominal Protestants in Friesland etc. have tended to vote Labour... |
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Post by nord on Sept 13, 2012 15:57:14 GMT
Spain doesn't have a far-right racist party either, unless one counts the tiny scattered remnants of Franco's Falange, who have never come close to winning a seat in the democratic era. I don't know what you mean by "racist", but Spain, particularly in Catalonia has a successful ethno-identitarian party, Platform for Catalonia, who are friends with the BNP. Recently, the party has formed into the PxL, Party for Freedom and is standing candidates outside of Catalonia. They have 67 councillors in Catalonia. And watch their election broadcasts: www.liveleak.com/view?i=858_1321789754Straight to the point, this is why in the last local elections they got 65,905 votes, growing from 17 to 67 councillors. |
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Post by nord on Sept 13, 2012 16:13:06 GMT
What I find most interesting about the PVV is that they're explicitly very gay-friendly. The idea seems to be that gay-friendliness is a fundamental Dutch/European/Western value that is being threatened by Muslims, and that gay people are therefore potential allies against Islam. You sometimes hear this viewpoint from the more 'respectable' wing of the EDL, but I don't feel that the Tory Right and UKIP have particularly embraced this sort of thinking (yet). Wilders is homosexual friendly because he is a liberal. He self-proclaims his ideology as "Liberal Nationalism". He is marginalised and rejects all other nationalists across Europe as "fascists", therefore outside of Netherlands, PVV has no support. The thing about the EDL having gays is true. Also the British Freedom Party ( the EDL's political division) are very pro-homosexual as well. Peter Stafford their national elections officer is a homosexual, and is regularly seen at EDL/BFP events kissing other male members. Nick Griffin even included this in his recent exposing the EDL document. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 15, 2012 15:42:12 GMT
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 15, 2012 15:48:48 GMT
I always assumed it was a case of Protestant (but secular) voters backing them in opposition to the Catholic dominated Centre/CD types similar to the pattern in Germany, but there may be socio-economic factors I'm not aware of It's the poorest part of the Netherlands and has radical political traditions stretching back since forever. Used to be a big Commie vote in parts. So it's a combination of class and the old pillarisation thing. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Sept 15, 2012 22:54:17 GMT
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