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Post by Jack on Feb 3, 2021 19:59:08 GMT
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Post by jollyroger93 on Mar 21, 2021 10:13:09 GMT
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Post by robert1 on May 28, 2021 14:02:39 GMT
All the fieldwork appears to have been undertaken since Dominic Cummings finished giving evidence
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nodealbrexiteer
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on May 28, 2021 14:12:25 GMT
All the fieldwork appears to have been undertaken since Cummings finished giving evidence Something else will need to happen to remove the teflon. |
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Post by hullenedge on May 30, 2021 9:17:45 GMT
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on May 30, 2021 9:26:43 GMT
Well, its usually YouGov  |
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Post by casualobserver on May 30, 2021 15:37:09 GMT
All the fieldwork appears to have been undertaken since Cummings finished giving evidence Something else will need to happen to remove the teflon. Classical scholar Boris has what the Romans called auctoritas and dignitas. The usual simple translation of those words into English - authority and dignity - are hopelessly inadequate (and are in fact quite misleading) in describing what the Romans meant by those words. Boris is quite widely perceived to have an authenticity that hardly any other senior politician is seen to share. But Boris' opponents simply don't perceive Boris that way at all, leading to attacks on Boris which, even when "successful", have no impact on Boris' popularity, because they're attacking an element of Boris that many people perceive quite differently from the political cognoscenti. Some opponents of Boris try to explain this by saying that Boris' 'flaws' and 'mistakes' are "baked in" to many people's perceptions of Boris. And whilst that analysis adequately describes what is happening, it fundamentally fails to address why it is happening. People recognise authenticity when they see it - and very many people see that authenticity in those very 'flaws' and 'mistakes' that opponents seek to exploit. I'm reminded of that (remarkably recent) adage: in politics, sincerity is everything; it you can fake that, you've got it made. Few people credit just how intelligent Boris is. Intelligence, of course, isn't everything. For an exceptionally busy and productive person, Boris is inherently lazy. His buffoonery is a cover covering another cover. But until his opponents appreciate Boris' positives and accept them for what they are, their analysis of Boris' so-called "teflon" nature will continue to start from the wrong perspective entirely and will continue to leave them wondering why he's not brought down by what they correctly perceive would bring down almost every other UK politician. |
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Post by justin124 on May 30, 2021 17:32:54 GMT
Johnson was far from popular by the end of 2020 and had become perceived as a liability. He is inherently unstable and desperate to be liked - not a genuine leader figure at all. His clownish demeanour always reminds me of Herman Goering - 'the funny man' in Nazi Germany.
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Post by finsobruce on May 30, 2021 17:42:05 GMT
Johnson was far from popular by the end of 2020 and had become perceived as a liability. He is inherently unstable and desperate to be liked - not a genuine leader figure at all. His clownish demeanour always reminds me of Herman Goering - 'the funny man' in Nazi Germany.I suppose we should be grateful that it's two months since you last made this ridiculous comparison. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 30, 2021 17:47:03 GMT
Johnson was far from popular by the end of 2020 and had become perceived as a liability. He is inherently unstable and desperate to be liked - not a genuine leader figure at all. His clownish demeanour always reminds me of Herman Goering - 'the funny man' in Nazi Germany.I suppose we should be grateful that it's two months since you last made this ridiculous comparison. Makes a change that it wasn't his imaginary friend who said it as well |
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Post by finsobruce on May 30, 2021 17:49:24 GMT
I suppose we should be grateful that it's two months since you last made this ridiculous comparison. Makes a change that it wasn't his imaginary friend who said it as well Give it time Pete, give it time.  |
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Post by justin124 on May 30, 2021 17:52:34 GMT
Johnson was far from popular by the end of 2020 and had become perceived as a liability. He is inherently unstable and desperate to be liked - not a genuine leader figure at all. His clownish demeanour always reminds me of Herman Goering - 'the funny man' in Nazi Germany.I suppose we should be grateful that it's two months since you last made this ridiculous comparison. It is not ridiculous at all . Goering was seen as a jovial, clownish character - despite being thoroughly self absorbed. I am not seeking to imply any semblance re- policy programme or philosophy. |
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Post by finsobruce on May 30, 2021 17:57:22 GMT
I suppose we should be grateful that it's two months since you last made this ridiculous comparison. It is not ridiculous at all . Goering was seen as a jovial, clownish character - despite being thoroughly self absorbed. I am not seeking to imply any semblance re- policy programme or philosophy. |
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Post by casualobserver on May 30, 2021 22:01:39 GMT
Johnson was far from popular by the end of 2020 and had become perceived as a liability. He is inherently unstable and desperate to be liked - not a genuine leader figure at all. His clownish demeanour always reminds me of Herman Goering - 'the funny man' in Nazi Germany. It's exactly your attitude that I was talking about. Opponents of Boris starting from such a false position will be very unlikely to get the better of him. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2021 22:14:47 GMT
Johnson was far from popular by the end of 2020 and had become perceived as a liability. He is inherently unstable and desperate to be liked - not a genuine leader figure at all. His clownish demeanour always reminds me of Herman Goering - 'the funny man' in Nazi Germany. Nazi comparisons are never appropriate. Even in the infinitesimal number of cases where they are specific and accurate enough to be warranted there are almost always other comparisons that are equally good and less inappropriate. |
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Post by Merseymike on May 30, 2021 22:21:52 GMT
Johnson was far from popular by the end of 2020 and had become perceived as a liability. He is inherently unstable and desperate to be liked - not a genuine leader figure at all. His clownish demeanour always reminds me of Herman Goering - 'the funny man' in Nazi Germany. It's exactly your attitude that I was talking about. Opponents of Boris starting from such a false position will be very unlikely to get the better of him. It's a bit like the stuff I posted this evening on the Owen Jones thread. That referred to the view that Johnson is a mass murderer who deliberately set out to kill 150000 people. To me that is obviously stupid and just makes those who say it sound ridiculous. I also think the Johnson is a racist homophobe line doesn't wash either. The problem is that the current opposition line appears to be a combination of waiting for the Tories to screw up and feigned outrage over Johnson's moral turpitude. If that was of sufficient concern he would not be PM anyway |
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on May 31, 2021 9:39:48 GMT
All the fieldwork appears to have been undertaken since Cummings finished giving evidence Something else will need to happen to remove the teflon. Though a thing to remember about teflon is that once it stops working, *everything* sticks. |
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Post by robert1 on May 31, 2021 9:44:02 GMT
Any comparison of someone, whoever they may be, with a leading member of the Third Reich is totally unacceptable and, I'm afraid, displays that the author is unaware of history.
As I have posted elsewhere on this site, my father was a translator at trials after the war (not Nuremburg). I will add, on this occasion, that he was taken prisoner 81 years ago this week and spent the next 4 and half years in different camps of varying horror but at least he lived to tell the tale-just. My comments are as polite as I can manage. |
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Post by The Bishop on May 31, 2021 10:08:26 GMT
So just for the record (and this is not in any way personal, I do not doubt your credentials here) saying "Corbyn wants to reopen Auchwitz" was/is also totally unacceptable?
But the person who said that wasn't an anonymous (in every sense) forum user, but a public figure and long standing commentator.
Who totally escaped censure and indeed continues to pontificate.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 31, 2021 10:40:52 GMT
So just for the record (and this is not in any way personal, I do not doubt your credentials here) saying "Corbyn wants to reopen Auchwitz" was/is also totally unacceptable? But the person who said that wasn't an anonymous (in every sense) forum user, but a public figure and long standing commentator. Who totally escaped censure and indeed continues to pontificate. recently described one of your posts as among the most pointless ever to appear on this forum (or words to that effect) but I think this one is even more so. We all know that whataboutery is your stock-in-trade, but what relevance does this have to the discussion at hand? Why are you challenging robert1 to pontificate on an unattributed quote made by someone elsewhere than on this forum? What point are you trying to make? |
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