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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 11:41:57 GMT
Various updates: 1. Gantz is to form a united list with Lapid. This potentially sets up the new electoral alliance as a challenger-for-government, though the campaign is long. Of course such a list doesn't really stand for a great deal other than not being Likud, but we've been here several times before with different actors. 2. The Kahanist party Otzma Yehudit will be on the Jewish Home list; the deal was actually brokered by Netanyahu. This is controversial and will presumably lead to a nastier and more polarised campaign across the board than would otherwise have been the case. 3. The Joint List is dead: Hadash have read the polls and will run with Ta'al, while the UAL and Balad will also run together. it looks like Gantz has a good chance of toppling Bibi |
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 7, 2019 11:59:03 GMT
Various updates: 1. Gantz is to form a united list with Lapid. This potentially sets up the new electoral alliance as a challenger-for-government, though the campaign is long. Of course such a list doesn't really stand for a great deal other than not being Likud, but we've been here several times before with different actors. 2. The Kahanist party Otzma Yehudit will be on the Jewish Home list; the deal was actually brokered by Netanyahu. This is controversial and will presumably lead to a nastier and more polarised campaign across the board than would otherwise have been the case. 3. The Joint List is dead: Hadash have read the polls and will run with Ta'al, while the UAL and Balad will also run together. it looks like Gantz has a good chance of toppling Bibi We can but hope. |
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Post by mboy on Mar 7, 2019 13:06:59 GMT
All fingers crossed!
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Mar 9, 2019 21:05:05 GMT
Given all the recent polls have shown the national camp in some sort of difficulty many Likudniks have adopted the strategy of demonising the Arab parties and raising the spectre that they’ll be in government, or propping one up, come April if the national camp are defeated. This “Bibi or Tibi”, Ahmad Tibi is an Arab MK for the List, tactic is a repeat of the infamous 2015 campaign strat against the Zionist Union which resulted in a stronger than expected Likud win. After that campaign the Likud couldn’t back-pedal fast enough and is a stain on an, imo at least, proud party. Tibi is very controversial because he was an adviser to Arafat once and thinks that Israel is racist for identifying as Jewish, opposes Arab involvment in the IDF, wants to abolish Jewish symbols in Israeli public life and supports the “right” of “return”. Interestingly though he gave a speech about Holocaust Memorial Day in 2010 in the Knesset which is believed to be one of the best ever and was interviewed about it by then TV News anchor Yair Lapid.
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Post by edgbaston on Mar 11, 2019 15:40:00 GMT
Given all the recent polls have shown the national camp in some sort of difficulty many Likudniks have adopted the strategy of demonising the Arab parties and raising the spectre that they’ll be in government, or propping one up, come April if the national camp are defeated. This “Bibi or Tibi”, Ahmad Tibi is an Arab MK for the List, tactic is a repeat of the infamous 2015 campaign strat against the Zionist Union which resulted in a stronger than expected Likud win. After that campaign the Likud couldn’t back-pedal fast enough and is a stain on an, imo at least, proud party. Tibi is very controversial because he was an adviser to Arafat once and thinks that Israel is racist for identifying as Jewish, opposes Arab involvment in the IDF, wants to abolish Jewish symbols in Israeli public life and supports the “right” of “return”. Interestingly though he gave a speech about Holocaust Memorial Day in 2010 in the Knesset which is believed to be one of the best ever and was interviewed about it by then TV News anchor Yair Lapid. Great clip. Good to hear that the ZU is doing well - sometimes the opinion polls are too confusing to piece together. Any chance at all of Bibi being kicked out? |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Mar 11, 2019 16:04:47 GMT
Given all the recent polls have shown the national camp in some sort of difficulty many Likudniks have adopted the strategy of demonising the Arab parties and raising the spectre that they’ll be in government, or propping one up, come April if the national camp are defeated. This “Bibi or Tibi”, Ahmad Tibi is an Arab MK for the List, tactic is a repeat of the infamous 2015 campaign strat against the Zionist Union which resulted in a stronger than expected Likud win. After that campaign the Likud couldn’t back-pedal fast enough and is a stain on an, imo at least, proud party. Tibi is very controversial because he was an adviser to Arafat once and thinks that Israel is racist for identifying as Jewish, opposes Arab involvment in the IDF, wants to abolish Jewish symbols in Israeli public life and supports the “right” of “return”. Interestingly though he gave a speech about Holocaust Memorial Day in 2010 in the Knesset which is believed to be one of the best ever and was interviewed about it by then TV News anchor Yair Lapid. Great clip. Good to hear that the ZU is doing well - sometimes the opinion polls are too confusing to piece together. Any chance at all of Bibi being kicked out? The Zionist Union no longer exists, dissolved dramatically live on TV, but the Blue and White coalition though is doing well, led by former general Benny Gantz and Yair Lapid. The polls do show that they’re giving the Likud led coalition, the National Camp, a run for their money as most polls show the current set up not gaining a majority. This anti Arab campaign is also backfiring more than in did in 2015, President Rivlin (Likud) condemned it today, so Netanyahu may be digging himself a bigger hole with it. |
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Post by edgbaston on Mar 11, 2019 16:14:04 GMT
Great clip. Good to hear that the ZU is doing well - sometimes the opinion polls are too confusing to piece together. Any chance at all of Bibi being kicked out? The Zionist Union no longer exists, dissolved dramatically live on TV, but the Blue and White coalition though is doing well, led by former general Benny Gantz and Yair Lapid. The polls do show that they’re giving the Likud led coalition, the National Camp, a run for their money as most polls show the current set up not gaining a majority. This anti Arab campaign is also backfiring more than in did in 2015, President Rivlin (Likud) condemned it today, so Netanyahu may be digging himself a bigger hole with it. Oh. Why was it dissolved? Is blue&white any different ideologically? So many queries, but anyone but Bibi is admittedly my priority - and will be for many observers internationally I would imagine. |
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Post by jamie on Mar 11, 2019 16:20:31 GMT
Great clip. Good to hear that the ZU is doing well - sometimes the opinion polls are too confusing to piece together. Any chance at all of Bibi being kicked out? Apologies if misinterpreted but Zionist Union are not doing well. The list broke up with Hatnuah gone from politics while Labour have slumped to high single digits in seat numbers (they were getting close to 5 pre-campaign period). The main opposition is now the Blue and White Alliance, which is a combination of former IDF general Benny Gantz's new party and the centrist Yesh Atid party. Netanyahu's block is polling at or just below a majority. Netanyahu losing power is a possibility but the last election shows he can close strongly and looks to be trying the same tactics. Gantz's block face the issue of it being very unlikely they will get a majority themselves, so would need to deal with either the Arabs or with some right wing parties to get a Knesset majority. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Mar 11, 2019 16:21:40 GMT
The Zionist Union no longer exists, dissolved dramatically live on TV, but the Blue and White coalition though is doing well, led by former general Benny Gantz and Yair Lapid. The polls do show that they’re giving the Likud led coalition, the National Camp, a run for their money as most polls show the current set up not gaining a majority. This anti Arab campaign is also backfiring more than in did in 2015, President Rivlin (Likud) condemned it today, so Netanyahu may be digging himself a bigger hole with it. Oh. Why was it dissolved? Is blue&white any different ideologically? So many queries, but anyone but Bibi is admittedly my priority - and will be for many observers internationally I would imagine. Labour leader Avi Gabbay dissolved it live on TV saying Hatnuah leader Tzipi Livni was undermining him, Livni has since left politics. Gabbay and Livni were both trying to join with Gantz and Lapid but neither succeeded. Blue and White isn’t really that different, it’s slightly more centrist. |
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 11, 2019 17:17:54 GMT
Great clip. Good to hear that the ZU is doing well - sometimes the opinion polls are too confusing to piece together. Any chance at all of Bibi being kicked out? Apologies if misinterpreted but Zionist Union are not doing well. The list broke up with Hatnuah gone from politics while Labour have slumped to high single digits in seat numbers (they were getting close to 5 pre-campaign period). The main opposition is now the Blue and White Alliance, which is a combination of former IDF general Benny Gantz's new party and the centrist Yesh Atid party. Netanyahu's block is polling at or just below a majority. Netanyahu losing power is a possibility but the last election shows he can close strongly and looks to be trying the same tactics. Gantz's block face the issue of it being very unlikely they will get a majority themselves, so would need to deal with either the Arabs or with some right wing parties to get a Knesset majority. The Blue and White Alliance isn't that different from Netanyahu. |
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Post by jamie on Mar 11, 2019 18:49:30 GMT
Somewhat true. They are not really left of centre, but would be a marked improvement on Netanyahu. Gantz has criticised the nation state law and has recruited a left leading union head as a candidate among other things. He would also break the hold Netanyahu's gang have on Israel politics, which would be a positive development in and of itself. |
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 11, 2019 20:27:59 GMT
Somewhat true. They are not really left of centre, but would be a marked improvement on Netanyahu. Gantz has criticised the nation state law and has recruited a left leading union head as a candidate among other things. He would also break the hold Netanyahu's gang have on Israel politics, which would be a positive development in and of itself. Oh I don't disagree with that. But the differences are marginal nonetheless |
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Post by mboy on Mar 11, 2019 21:34:07 GMT
Apologies if misinterpreted but Zionist Union are not doing well. The list broke up with Hatnuah gone from politics while Labour have slumped to high single digits in seat numbers (they were getting close to 5 pre-campaign period). The main opposition is now the Blue and White Alliance, which is a combination of former IDF general Benny Gantz's new party and the centrist Yesh Atid party. Netanyahu's block is polling at or just below a majority. Netanyahu losing power is a possibility but the last election shows he can close strongly and looks to be trying the same tactics. Gantz's block face the issue of it being very unlikely they will get a majority themselves, so would need to deal with either the Arabs or with some right wing parties to get a Knesset majority. The Blue and White Alliance isn't that different from Netanyahu. Reminds me of when certain groups of people said Hillary wasnt that different from Trump...and New Labour wasn’t that different to the Tories, etc... |
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Post by mboy on Mar 11, 2019 21:43:01 GMT
Yes, another good example.
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 11, 2019 21:54:40 GMT
Yes, another good example. Of course they are. Not all Tories are as right wing as you for a start. |
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 11, 2019 22:55:50 GMT
Reminds me of when certain groups of people said Hillary wasnt that different from Trump...and New Labour wasn’t that different to the Tories, etc... Or that the LibDems were no different from the Tories.... If only on constitutional and electoral reform matters that simply isn't true. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Mar 17, 2019 20:09:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 20:49:54 GMT
That's Bibi stuffed then... It's just him personally not the list so it may not have a negative effect. It may even have a slightly positive effect if it makes the list look (*relatively*) more hygienic. |
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Post by johnloony on Mar 20, 2019 4:20:49 GMT
Some of the reports about the election say that the Kulanu Party has an advert featuring a flatulent hippopotamus and a fish climbing a tree. I can't find it on Youtube. Any links where it is?
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Mar 20, 2019 5:58:27 GMT
Some of the reports about the election say that the Kulanu Party has an advert featuring a flatulent hippopotamus and a fish climbing a tree. I can't find it on Youtube. Any links where it is? |
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