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Post by Merseymike on Apr 25, 2021 16:40:51 GMT
Perhaps not, but Rhineland Capitalism does operate as a sort of hegemonic underpinning to German economics and their approach more broadly. They certainly haven't embraced neoliberalism. I'm not even convinced that the CSU would do that anyway. It is easy to forget that while Bavaria is right wing, Munich is left wing! The SPD and the Greens run it quite co-operatively. It's rather the contrary: While "Munich" - or at least the wealthy SubUrbs in Starnberg aso. - are good territory for FDP and economical ("neo-")liberalsim, Bavaria as a whole has not been, at least not, when it was a poor & backwarded region. The CSU has not incidentally the "S" (="Social") in its name! Fair point - and its notable that in Munich virtually the entire Green vote transferred to the SPD in the mayoral elections, while the Greens won most seats on the City Council.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 25, 2021 16:41:13 GMT
I'm not sure it has even been a true vehicle for Rhine Capitalism for a while now. Much could be said of its French counterpart. Does either mount any sort of ideological defence of its case any more, other than a pretence to pragmatism? At least the CSU openly states that it sees its purpose as ruling Bavaria! Perhaps not, but Rhineland Capitalism does operate as a sort of hegemonic underpinning to German economics and their approach more broadly. They certainly haven't embraced neoliberalism. I'm not even convinced that the CSU would do that anyway. It is easy to forget that while Bavaria is right wing, Munich is left wing! The SPD and the Greens run it quite co-operatively. The funny thing is that the Bavarian political, economic and cultural establishment is very Munich-based and CSU-supporting, and wouldn't be caught dead in the likes of Passau or Erlangen. It is known as the Schickeria (and subject of an amusingly mocking song from the Eighties).
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 25, 2021 16:41:55 GMT
In NW-Mecklenburg 92/177 precincts are counted and surprisingly it's neck-to-neck:
36.3% CDU 35.1% SPD (inc.) 21.2% TheLeft 07.4& ThePirates
The uncounted towns could alter the numbers quite a lot, though.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 25, 2021 16:44:30 GMT
In Nordhausen it's with most done 55.?% for the SPD-incumbent.
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Post by Merseymike on Apr 25, 2021 16:45:50 GMT
Perhaps not, but Rhineland Capitalism does operate as a sort of hegemonic underpinning to German economics and their approach more broadly. They certainly haven't embraced neoliberalism. I'm not even convinced that the CSU would do that anyway. It is easy to forget that while Bavaria is right wing, Munich is left wing! The SPD and the Greens run it quite co-operatively. The funny thing is that the Bavarian political, economic and cultural establishment is very Munich-based and CSU-supporting, and wouldn't be caught dead in the likes of Passau or Erlangen. It is known as the Schickeria (and subject of an amusingly mocking song from the Eighties). Sounds a bit like Ireland, where the utter contempt of Dubliners for 'boggers' (anyone who doesn't come from Dublin!) is very notable
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Post by minionofmidas on Apr 25, 2021 16:46:08 GMT
The FF parallel somewhere upthread is quite apt. The Union is not and never was simply the Conservative Party of Germany. That ship went down with its Führer.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 25, 2021 16:49:29 GMT
Perhaps not, but Rhineland Capitalism does operate as a sort of hegemonic underpinning to German economics and their approach more broadly. They certainly haven't embraced neoliberalism. I'm not even convinced that the CSU would do that anyway. It is easy to forget that while Bavaria is right wing, Munich is left wing! The SPD and the Greens run it quite co-operatively. The funny thing is that the Bavarian political, economic and cultural establishment is very Munich-based and CSU-supporting, and wouldn't be caught dead in the likes of Passau or Erlangen. It is known as the Schickeria (and subject of an amusingly mocking song from the Eighties). and the more sophisticated ones there use a cultivated dialect (whereas in Vienna it's more an UmgangsSprache, an unsuccessful attempt to speak HighGerman).
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 25, 2021 16:56:33 GMT
The FF parallel somewhere upthread is quite apt. The Union is not and never was simply the Conservative Party of Germany. That ship went down with its Führer. Hitler himself was a national Socialist, not a conservative. And his CoalitionPartner - the DNVP - was partly conservative, but since v.BISMARCK's "FreeCons." nationalism and/or agrarianism had replaced more and more conservativism.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 25, 2021 18:29:35 GMT
NW-Brandenburg is fully counted:
26.2% Participation
35.9% CDU 34.7% SPD 22.3% TheLeft 07.0% ThePirates
Of course, the SPD-inc. will win in the RunOff; nonetheless disappointing for her.
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Post by minionofmidas on Apr 25, 2021 18:44:00 GMT
NW-Brandenburg is fully counted: 26.2% Participation 35.9% CDU 34.7% SPD 22.3% TheLeft 07.0% ThePirates Of course, the SPD-inc. will win in the RunOff; nonetheless disappointing for her. there was some kind of minor corruption scandal apparently. Amusing share for the 26 yr old hipsterbearded Pirate waiter.
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Post by iainbhx on Apr 25, 2021 18:55:31 GMT
Perhaps not, but Rhineland Capitalism does operate as a sort of hegemonic underpinning to German economics and their approach more broadly. They certainly haven't embraced neoliberalism. I'm not even convinced that the CSU would do that anyway. It is easy to forget that while Bavaria is right wing, Munich is left wing! The SPD and the Greens run it quite co-operatively. The funny thing is that the Bavarian political, economic and cultural establishment is very Munich-based and CSU-supporting, and wouldn't be caught dead in the likes of Passau or Erlangen. It is known as the Schickeria (and subject of an amusingly mocking song from the Eighties). Have been to Passau, can understand this. Nor are the München-Grüne particularly left-wing.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 25, 2021 19:33:57 GMT
The funny thing is that the Bavarian political, economic and cultural establishment is very Munich-based and CSU-supporting, and wouldn't be caught dead in the likes of Passau or Erlangen. It is known as the Schickeria (and subject of an amusingly mocking song from the Eighties). Have been to Passau, can understand this. Yes, it's not a formidable city. But a wonderful centre with an impressive landscape, isn't it?!
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Post by Merseymike on Apr 25, 2021 21:36:23 GMT
The funny thing is that the Bavarian political, economic and cultural establishment is very Munich-based and CSU-supporting, and wouldn't be caught dead in the likes of Passau or Erlangen. It is known as the Schickeria (and subject of an amusingly mocking song from the Eighties). Have been to Passau, can understand this. Nor are the München-Grüne particularly left-wing. Fair point, but then no German party is particularly left wing bar Die Linke, and they have their past ... The Munich Greens are certainly to the left of the CSU!
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 25, 2021 22:23:30 GMT
The funny thing is that the Bavarian political, economic and cultural establishment is very Munich-based and CSU-supporting, and wouldn't be caught dead in the likes of Passau or Erlangen. It is known as the Schickeria (and subject of an amusingly mocking song from the Eighties). Have been to Passau, can understand this. Nor are the München-Grüne particularly left-wing. When I retire to Bavaria, it's Garmisch or bust.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 25, 2021 23:22:32 GMT
Have been to Passau, can understand this. Nor are the München-Grüne particularly left-wing. When I retire to Bavaria, it's Garmisch or bust. By the way (DW Himself surely knows the past of His heaven): Garmisch belonged for centuries not to Bavaria proper (= Wittelsbach-properties), but to the bishop of Freising.
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Post by iainbhx on Apr 26, 2021 4:55:26 GMT
Have been to Passau, can understand this. Nor are the München-Grüne particularly left-wing. When I retire to Bavaria, it's Garmisch or bust. I doubt if I could afford Tegernsee, which has a beautiful lake and an excellent brewery but that would be my number 1 choice.
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Post by iainbhx on Apr 26, 2021 4:57:47 GMT
Have been to Passau, can understand this. Yes, it's not a formidable city. But a wonderful centre with an impressive landscape, isn't it?! My visit was during the height of the Asylsommer which may have coloured my views somewhat. It certainly does have an impressive landscape.
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Post by yellowperil on Apr 26, 2021 6:51:48 GMT
When I retire to Bavaria, it's Garmisch or bust. I doubt if I could afford Tegernsee, which has a beautiful lake and an excellent brewery but that would be my number 1 choice. Quite how many of our members intend to retire to Germany? As a retirement destination it feels a bit.. niche. And I say that as someone who has spent many happy days there... including Passau. And part of my honeymoon was spent in Bavaria.
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Post by seanryanj on Apr 28, 2021 18:01:14 GMT
New Forsa poll is almost exactly the same as the previous one. www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/Green 28 Union 22 (+1) SPD 13 FDP 12 AfD 11 Left 7 Oth 7 (-1) The SPD would want to watch how far it cold slip
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Post by mboy on Apr 29, 2021 19:25:32 GMT
Would love to see FDP in 3rd...
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