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Post by erlend on May 14, 2012 7:12:39 GMT
That looks like it strengthens the SPD's hands in coalition negotiations. They could say to the Greens that the FDP are a possibility.. Whether or not they want any change. In many ways the SPD result is less than striking numerically being nearly solely causesd by the Left and Green falls. But in terms of dominance that is churlish as they have seen off the CDU. The FDP result feels a bit bizarre. At the beginning of the thread a reference of turkeys and christmas was made. These turkeys seem to have survived. Which begs the question as to where the Pirate vote came from. The CDU vote seems unlikely so a lot of churn seems in order.
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Post by A Brown on May 14, 2012 7:16:53 GMT
Yes, Hannelore Kraft is in a very strong position now as she technically also has the pirates to choose from in theory (even though the SPD probably wouldn't go down that road).
I agree the Wählerstromanalyse will be fascinating here.
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Post by erlend on May 14, 2012 7:21:00 GMT
At some point an election result is going to land the Pirates with the responsibility of choosing a government. May be funny to watch. And before anyone points it out I do see the irony of my saying it having been on thje LD FE after 2010.
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Post by iainbhx on May 14, 2012 7:41:57 GMT
That looks like it strengthens the SPD's hands in coalition negotiations. They could say to the Greens that the FDP are a possibility.. Whether or not they want any change. In many ways the SPD result is less than striking numerically being nearly solely causesd by the Left and Green falls. But in terms of dominance that is churlish as they have seen off the CDU. The FDP result feels a bit bizarre. At the beginning of the thread a reference of turkeys and christmas was made. These turkeys seem to have survived. Which begs the question as to where the Pirate vote came from. The CDU vote seems unlikely so a lot of churn seems in order. Well, the Wahlerström will tell us something. As a hunch, they are dipping into various pools, they are bringing in some new voters, they have taken some of the Green surge of last year and they are taking some votes from the SED and from the various others. I think that the Red-Green partnership in NRW will continue, but the SPD may use their new strength to improve their bargaining position. An interesting vote, their Fraktionleader didn't get elected, he had a high list place, but the SPD got no list seats. I think it looks reasonably certain than the Piraten get into the Bundestag next year, the FDP still look dicey. |
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Post by Sibboleth on May 15, 2012 18:46:31 GMT
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Post by Sibboleth on May 15, 2012 18:47:15 GMT
The result in Bonn I is really funny, btw...
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Post by hifly15 on May 18, 2012 18:31:32 GMT
Are there still any conservatives in the SPD?
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Post by Sibboleth on May 18, 2012 21:49:41 GMT
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Post by The Bishop on May 18, 2012 22:09:48 GMT
So I wasn't the only one confused by that query, then.......
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Post by john07 on May 22, 2012 12:15:17 GMT
Are there still any conservatives in the SPD? I think that they disappeared around the same time as the CDU expelled its Bolshavik faction! |
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Post by Dave Morgan on May 22, 2012 14:09:22 GMT
Great map. However, I do believe the CDU's colours are black and orange! |
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Post by Sibboleth on May 22, 2012 18:46:21 GMT
Their proper colour is black (because they're the successor party to Zentrum), but they've often been shown as blue in media stuff going back ages. Orange is some silly re-branding nonsense. And is now the Pirates colour.
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Post by iainbhx on May 22, 2012 19:47:59 GMT
Their proper colour is black (because they're the successor party to Zentrum), but they've often been shown as blue in media stuff going back ages. Orange is some silly re-branding nonsense. And is now the Pirates colour. I see your point, but Zentrum never really went away, it's just that many of their non-tainted leading lights and the church moved to the CDU. The Helene Wessel split was probably the last straw. They were also hit hard by the boundary changes post 1945, whilst Pommern was a dead zone for them and Ostpreußen was limited, they had substantial power in Schlesien and the Grenzmark. They still get representation on some councils in the Neuß area, I think they are even in the Kreistag in Rhein-Kreis Neuß but only because it doesn't have the Fünf-Prozent Hurde. And the Union parties are Black. |
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Post by Sibboleth on May 22, 2012 20:51:34 GMT
Oh, I know technically, yes. Technically. They did actually win one of the Duisburg seats in the 1950s IIRC.
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Post by iainbhx on May 22, 2012 20:56:12 GMT
Oh, I know technically, yes. Technically. They did actually win one of the Duisburg seats in the 1950s IIRC. They are the legal successor, they had seats in the NRW and Niedersachsen Landtags until I think 1956 and 1957. Oddly enough the merged with an Evangelist kleinpartei a few years ago. |
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Post by Sibboleth on May 24, 2012 17:59:57 GMT
  These took a while, but I like to delude myself into thinking that it was worth it. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 24, 2012 18:07:48 GMT
That dark red belt in the middle is horrible. We should have bombed it
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Post by markgoodair on May 25, 2012 8:37:59 GMT
That dark red belt in the middle is horrible. We should have bombed it We probably did!! |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 25, 2012 8:52:05 GMT
I guess I don't do irony very well  |
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Post by The Bishop on May 25, 2012 10:07:49 GMT
Or you mean irony doesn't usually translate that well to teh internetz  |
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