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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 17, 2024 7:44:53 GMT
Much appreciated. Frankfurt has very interesting geography - places like Schwanheim and Höchst feel like they are miles out of the city, whereas somewhere like Bad Vilbel would probably be included in a British city of a similar size.
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Post by minionofmidas on Jun 29, 2024 15:16:11 GMT
I was distracted with work and the Euros, and soon I'll have France and Britain to gawk at if probably not map myself, but I will be getting a Hesse muncipal maps series out. For now here's first place shaded and 2nd place unshaded. Statewide tally was CDU 30.0 SPD 16.4 AfD 13.6 Greens 12.9   |
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Post by minionofmidas on Jul 1, 2024 9:51:44 GMT
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Post by minionofmidas on Jul 3, 2024 13:42:52 GMT
About that Volt and Left being urban bit... here's where they exceed their statewide tally (3.27/2.53)  |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 3, 2024 14:15:17 GMT
What's the Volt stronghold right at the bottom of the map?
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Post by minionofmidas on Jul 3, 2024 14:28:52 GMT
What's the Volt stronghold right at the bottom of the map? Neckarsteinach. The strange Hessian pseudoenclave on the Neckar (there is a road that doesn't leave Hesse but it's not the one you'd usually take) isn't so very far upstream from Heidelberg. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 3, 2024 14:33:40 GMT
What's the Volt stronghold right at the bottom of the map? Neckarsteinach. The strange Hessian pseudoenclave on the Neckar (there is a road that doesn't leave Hesse but it's not the one you'd usually take) isn't so very far upstream from Heidelberg. Explains a lot. I was in the Odenwald at the weekend. First time. If it were in Bavaria, it would be full of tourists. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Jul 3, 2024 14:42:38 GMT
Neckarsteinach. The strange Hessian pseudoenclave on the Neckar (there is a road that doesn't leave Hesse but it's not the one you'd usually take) isn't so very far upstream from Heidelberg. Explains a lot. I was in the Odenwald at the weekend. First time. If it were in Bavaria, it would be full of tourists. Whereabouts? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 3, 2024 14:51:28 GMT
Explains a lot. I was in the Odenwald at the weekend. First time. If it were in Bavaria, it would be full of tourists. Whereabouts? Michelstadt and then dropped in to see someone we know in Beerfelden. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Jul 3, 2024 15:13:40 GMT
Michelstadt and then dropped in to see someone we know in Beerfelden. Ah, so very deep in the heart of the Odenwald. |
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Post by hullenedge on Jul 30, 2024 21:46:53 GMT
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Post by Foggy on Jul 31, 2024 20:53:08 GMT
Specifically, it's the part which means winners in constituencies might be declared losers after all that's been ruled as undemocratic. It led to this extraordinary image from the Constitutional Court building yesterday of two politicians from hard-left Die Linke and the right-wing CSU respectively, both of whom represent single-member seats that they won by FPTP last time, celebrating the announcement together. Their parties received 4.9% and 5.2% respectively at the most recent federal election in 2021, so they had a mutual interest in this decision. Electoral systems can certainly create some strange bedfellows at times! |
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Post by minionofmidas on Aug 1, 2024 11:22:18 GMT
Specifically, it's the part which means winners in constituencies might be declared losers after all that's been ruled as undemocratic. No, that "part" (ie 90% of the law) was upheld. The court reinstituted the alternative 3 direct leads* threshold, so literally did what the Left and only the Left wanted, though it's reasoning to get there is basically "you mustn't threaten the CSU with the 5% threshold, they're special snowflakes whose inclusion in parliament won't threaten stability" ('stability' is long established by case law as the reason why 5% thresholds are just about permissible). *can't refer to them as "seats" anymore. 😈 It's theoretically possible they would not all be seated, after all. |
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Post by Foggy on Aug 1, 2024 15:23:45 GMT
Specifically, it's the part which means winners in constituencies might be declared losers after all that's been ruled as undemocratic. No, that "part" (ie 90% of the law) was upheld. The court reinstituted the alternative 3 direct leads* threshold, so literally did what the Left and only the Left wanted, though it's reasoning to get there is basically "you mustn't threaten the CSU with the 5% threshold, they're special snowflakes whose inclusion in parliament won't threaten stability" ('stability' is long established by case law as the reason why 5% thresholds are just about permissible). Ah right, don't think the articles I read specifically mentioned that but it has a kind of Teutonic internal logic, I suppose. Not sure why The Left would even want that when they're unlikely to get three direct "leads" next time anyway. In that case, am I correct in thinking that this means the PDS would've won zero seats rather than two in 2002, had that election been held under the new law? As for thresholds: the "stability" argument is the reason it's been difficult to re-introduce any hurdle at all to European elections, since Germany not having one ultimately doesn't damage the governability of the EU. |
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Post by mrpastelito on Aug 1, 2024 16:41:34 GMT
No, that "part" (ie 90% of the law) was upheld. The court reinstituted the alternative 3 direct leads* threshold, so literally did what the Left and only the Left wanted, though it's reasoning to get there is basically "you mustn't threaten the CSU with the 5% threshold, they're special snowflakes whose inclusion in parliament won't threaten stability" ('stability' is long established by case law as the reason why 5% thresholds are just about permissible). Ah right, don't think the articles I read specifically mentioned that but it has a kind of Teutonic internal logic, I suppose. Not sure why The Left would even want that when they're unlikely to get three direct "leads" next time anyway. In that case, am I correct in thinking that this means the PDS would've won zero seats rather than two in 2002, had that election been held under the new law?As for thresholds: the "stability" argument is the reason it's been difficult to re-introduce any hurdle at all to European elections, since Germany not having one ultimately doesn't damage the governability of the EU. You are indeed. It is de facto an abolition of FPTP - it's now possible for candidates to win their constituency, but not a seat. A total joke. |
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Post by Foggy on Aug 2, 2024 5:10:56 GMT
Ah right, don't think the articles I read specifically mentioned that but it has a kind of Teutonic internal logic, I suppose. Not sure why The Left would even want that when they're unlikely to get three direct "leads" next time anyway. In that case, am I correct in thinking that this means the PDS would've won zero seats rather than two in 2002, had that election been held under the new law?As for thresholds: the "stability" argument is the reason it's been difficult to re-introduce any hurdle at all to European elections, since Germany not having one ultimately doesn't damage the governability of the EU. You are indeed. It is de facto an abolition of FPTP - it's now possible for candidates to win their constituency, but not a seat. A total joke. I'm not wedded to FPTP - I think the Aussie and French systems are legitimate - but if you're gonna have a mixed system, there's a strong case for keeping the single-member seat element of it simple. What there isn't a good case for is basing who you replace the first-preference winner with on taking an arbitrary average second vote score across 200+ other constituencies. One obvious side effect of electing local representatives is that parties able to concentrate high levels of support in a smaller area will be rewarded. If the present German federal government is unhappy with this feature of AMS then they should have dropped the pretence altogether and legislated for the complete removal of the constituency element, adopting pure list PR instead. It's not an approach I'd have supported but at least it'd be internally consistent. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Aug 2, 2024 5:38:25 GMT
No, that "part" (ie 90% of the law) was upheld. The court reinstituted the alternative 3 direct leads* threshold, so literally did what the Left and only the Left wanted, though it's reasoning to get there is basically "you mustn't threaten the CSU with the 5% threshold, they're special snowflakes whose inclusion in parliament won't threaten stability" ('stability' is long established by case law as the reason why 5% thresholds are just about permissible). Ah right, don't think the articles I read specifically mentioned that but it has a kind of Teutonic internal logic, I suppose. Not sure why The Left would even want that when they're unlikely to get three direct "leads" next time anyway. Well the lawsuits were brought a while ago...Yes. Though the theoretical option to run and win as an independemt still exists. Yes. Union and SPD lobby EU parliamentarians from abroad to pass a treshold into EU law to circumvent the German constitutional court, meanwhile the 'problem' they're trying to solce only exists because Germany is the only large country not to use seoarate regional constituencies, it's quite the ridiculous spectacle. |
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Post by Foggy on Aug 2, 2024 5:45:26 GMT
Yes. Union and SPD lobby EU parliamentarians from abroad to pass a threshold into EU law to circumvent the German constitutional court, meanwhile the 'problem' they're trying to solce only exists because Germany is the only large country not to use separate regional constituencies, it's quite the ridiculous spectacle. Not sure how you're defining a large country, but Spain uses a single national constituency for European elections (even though there's a really good case for groups of regions there), and I'm not sure if France is still split either. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Aug 2, 2024 5:50:51 GMT
You are indeed. It is de facto an abolition of FPTP - it's now possible for candidates to win their constituency, but not a seat. A total joke. I'm not wedded to FPTP - I think the Aussie and French systems are legitimate - but if you're gonna have a mixed system, there's a strong case for keeping the single-member seat element of it simple. What there isn't a good case for is basing who you replace the first-preference winner with on taking an arbitrary average second vote score across 200+ other constituencies. One obvious side effect of electing local representatives is that parties able to concentrate high levels of support in a smaller area will be rewarded. If the present German federal government is unhappy with this feature of AMS then they should have dropped the pretence altogether and legislated for the complete removal of the constituency element, adopting pure list PR instead. It's not an approach I'd have supported but at least it'd be internally consistent. You're not getting that past the SPD for much the same reason the Union has been completely intransigent on the voting law issue these past 15 years - they are organized internally around the idea of the constituency MP, responsible to the local party (not the local voters, they're comparatively irrelevant thanks to the list seats). |
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Post by Foggy on Aug 2, 2024 5:54:24 GMT
I'm not wedded to FPTP - I think the Aussie and French systems are legitimate - but if you're gonna have a mixed system, there's a strong case for keeping the single-member seat element of it simple. What there isn't a good case for is basing who you replace the first-preference winner with on taking an arbitrary average second vote score across 200+ other constituencies. One obvious side effect of electing local representatives is that parties able to concentrate high levels of support in a smaller area will be rewarded. If the present German federal government is unhappy with this feature of AMS then they should have dropped the pretence altogether and legislated for the complete removal of the constituency element, adopting pure list PR instead. It's not an approach I'd have supported but at least it'd be internally consistent. You're not getting that past the SPD for much the same reason the Union has been completely intransigent on the voting law issue these past 15 years - they are organized internally around the idea of the constituency MP, responsible to the local party (not the local voters, they're comparatively irrelevant thanks to the list seats). Ah, so the Volksparteien have their priorities in order as usual.  |
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