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Post by AdminSTB on Feb 24, 2018 13:16:18 GMT
Hackney North & Stoke Newington has Tory Councillors. Yes, but the Hackney N councillors are there because the ward has a strong Hasidic Jewish community which supports the conservatives, it's the 11th most Jewish ward in the UK. Similarly for the Libdems in Cazenove although they have a more diverse team of councillors. Neither are majority communities, so the seats are not certain not to be Labour, but given Labour's recent travails - Springfield must be a reasonable chance to be retained against the odds. |
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Post by greenchristian on Feb 24, 2018 13:17:47 GMT
In Meriden, Labour has one councillor in Kingshurst and Fordbridge (part of Solihull MBC). The Conservatives got just 13.3% of the vote there in 2016. Probably not the worst ward for the Tories in that seat - we may have sneaked it in the general. Smiths Wood seems weaker. 2016 results have you at 4.7% in Smith's Wood and 4.1% in Chelmsley Wood. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Feb 24, 2018 13:22:05 GMT
In Meriden, Labour has one councillor in Kingshurst and Fordbridge (part of Solihull MBC). The Conservatives got just 13.3% of the vote there in 2016. Probably not the worst ward for the Tories in that seat - we may have sneaked it in the general. Smiths Wood seems weaker. Kinghshurst and Fordbridge is not even close to the worst ward for the Tories, they won it in 2006 and 2008. Both Smiths Wood and Chelmsley Wood are substantially weaker. |
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Post by andrewp on Feb 24, 2018 13:25:02 GMT
Pace Andrew P (and this is his thread, after all!), I don't think Corby and West Lancashire are so much examples of atypical wards as of 'starkly divided constituencies', another category I tried to identify in the Almanac. These are seats where there are two contrasting and competing blocs of voters, there being several wards of the minority persuasion. Another case would be Kensington. I interpreted atypical wards as being more lone outliers such as those Pete and AJS have identified, for example. I had thought of Bridgwater myself. When I was becoming interested in geographical psephology in the late 1960s, the number of local councils controlled by Labour was becoming fewer each May. Great strongholds were falling each year - Islington, Sheffield, Stoke (then). But Bridgwater, Somerset (then a council in its own right) remained in Labour hands. I was very keen to visit to see why! However, Bridgwater is not an 'atypical ward'. It is an atypical town. As indeed I saw when I eventually did get there .. Absolutely agree Robert. I suppose Bridgwater would be similar to Corby and West Lancashire actually. It is very unlike the rest of Somerset.... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 13:28:41 GMT
The old Riverside ward in Dundee West voted 55.8% Conservative in 2003. It's now in the much larger West End ward, where the Liberal Democrats topped the poll with 38.5% in the council election last year.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 13:53:55 GMT
Am I right about Perth & North Perthshire bring Labour’s weakest seat in the last GE where they currently hold council seats?
Prior to May 2017 Aberdeenshire West & Kincardine had 2 Labour Councillors but Labour lost their deposit in WA&K in 2015.
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Post by Khunanup on Feb 24, 2018 14:02:26 GMT
In Portsmouth South in 2016 (when of course it was a Conservative seat) the Tories only got 10.3% in Charles Dickens ward and Labour (with it since being won by them) got only 13.6% in Eastney & Craneswater. In Portsmouth North at the same election the Conservaties only got 15.8% in Nelson.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 14:27:59 GMT
Berwickshire, Roxburgh & Selkirk was an SNP seat at the time of the May 2017 local elections in the Scottish Borders.
The SNP's worst results in that seat at the locals was 11.2% in Hawick and Hermitage ward.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 24, 2018 14:34:51 GMT
But Bridgwater, Somerset (then a council in its own right) remained in Labour hands. I was very keen to visit to see why! However, Bridgwater is not an 'atypical ward'. It is an atypical town. As indeed I saw when I eventually did get there .. I also made a point to visit Bridgwater largely thanks to reading your musings on the subject in your Almanac and indeed - it is one of the grimmest towns I've ever been to in England (perhaps only Skelmersdale and Corby, both also mentioned on this thread, are worse) I was also inspired to visit Netherley by the portrait you painted of it on the Liverpool Garston section. That was a real treat! |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 24, 2018 14:38:09 GMT
I interpreted atypical wards as being more lone outliers such as those Pete and AJS have identified, for example. Another example of this was the old Berinsfield ward in Henley constituency (though not the current ward of that name which includes Dorchester and other villages) |
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Post by Robert Waller on Feb 24, 2018 14:46:37 GMT
But Bridgwater, Somerset (then a council in its own right) remained in Labour hands. I was very keen to visit to see why! However, Bridgwater is not an 'atypical ward'. It is an atypical town. As indeed I saw when I eventually did get there .. I also made a point to visit Bridgwater largely thanks to reading your musings on the subject in your Almanac and indeed - it is one of the grimmest towns I've ever been to in England (perhaps only Skelmersdale and Corby, both also mentioned on this thread, are worse) I was also inspired to visit Netherley by the portrait you painted of it on the Liverpool Garston section. That was a real treat! I am glad to be of service to the respective Tourist Boards! Actually I enjoyed all my peregrinations, and am hesitant to use words such as 'grim'. But without being too specific, I would ask you if you have visited West Cumbria, for example?! Nothing compared with doing the same thing in many cities in the USA, though. My local friends often expressed surprise that I had survived. |
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Post by andrewp on Feb 24, 2018 15:00:11 GMT
But Bridgwater, Somerset (then a council in its own right) remained in Labour hands. I was very keen to visit to see why! However, Bridgwater is not an 'atypical ward'. It is an atypical town. As indeed I saw when I eventually did get there .. I also made a point to visit Bridgwater largely thanks to reading your musings on the subject in your Almanac and indeed - it is one of the grimmest towns I've ever been to in England (perhaps only Skelmersdale and Corby, both also mentioned on this thread, are worse) I was also inspired to visit Netherley by the portrait you painted of it on the Liverpool Garston section. That was a real treat! Bridgwater has one very middle class safe Tory ward - Wyndham ward- which is very different from the rest of the town. The rest of it is quite deprived and very insular. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 24, 2018 15:02:09 GMT
I've never been to West Cumbria though thanks to Google Street view I have some idea of what you mean (there's no substitute for actually visiting a place of course)
Internationally, the worst areas I've visited were the Cape Flats
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Post by Philip Davies on Feb 24, 2018 15:29:39 GMT
I interpreted atypical wards as being more lone outliers such as those Pete and AJS have identified, for example. Another example of this was the old Berinsfield ward in Henley constituency (though not the current ward of that name which includes Dorchester and other villages) When I lived in Oxford and worked in Crowmarsh Gifford in 1996/97 the bus used to take the perimeter round around Berinsfield. In that respect it is similar to Gamesley! |
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Post by Philip Davies on Feb 24, 2018 16:13:33 GMT
Winsford in the Eddisbury constituency. The closest the town has had to a Labour MP was when it was in the Northwich constituency. In 1929 the majority was 4 and in 1945 it was 15. Then it moved to the Nantwich seat with the closest election not surprisingly being 1966 when the Conservatives had a majority of 2,233. Since it has been in the Eddisbury seat the closest Labour came to winning was 1997.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 24, 2018 16:42:21 GMT
Woolton in Garston & Halewood. Tuebrook in Liverpool, West Derby which of course has Liberal representation. St Michael’s in Liverpool, Riverside. Green ward in a safe Labour seat. Didsbury West in Manchester, Withington. Highgate in Holborn & St Pancras. Green Cllr in a safe Labour seat. Ashfield and Mansfield where independents win Councillors but barely hold deposits in GEs. All those are rubbish examples. Those wards you mention would all have voted Labour in recent general elections |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 16:49:28 GMT
Woolton in Garston & Halewood. Tuebrook in Liverpool, West Derby which of course has Liberal representation. St Michael’s in Liverpool, Riverside. Green ward in a safe Labour seat. Didsbury West in Manchester, Withington. Highgate in Holborn & St Pancras. Green Cllr in a safe Labour seat. Ashfield and Mansfield where independents win Councillors but barely hold deposits in GEs. All those are rubbish examples. Those wards you mention would all have voted Labour in recent general elections As would the wards I mentioned in Hackney. Most wards people have mentioned would have voted for the winning party in the GE. Why are you spoiling a good thread by dismissing my examples? |
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Post by ccoleman on Feb 24, 2018 16:57:23 GMT
Alwoodley in Leeds North East - probably voted Tory narrowly in 2017 (though I wouldn't be surprised if it voted Labour narrowly too, being a strongly Remain area).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 17:00:54 GMT
Adel & Wharfdale in Leeds North West.
CON locally. Not sure if it voted CON or LD in 2017.
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Post by ccoleman on Feb 24, 2018 17:05:19 GMT
Electoral Calculus think it voted Con, but their predicted results put Con and Lab on an almost equal footing.
*usual caveats regarding reliability etc
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