Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on Jun 8, 2012 8:17:26 GMT
how come no polls for a while ? is that normal ? I may be wrong, I often am, but I think there's a "no polls for two weeks before an election" law in place in Greece. That was my understanding from the first election this year. |
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Post by richardclemerson on Jun 8, 2012 19:35:23 GMT
I believe he is ex-special forces as well! when a country has conscription, the definition of special forces gets eroded. Just means he did 8 weeks basic training rather than 2. ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by iainbhx on Jun 8, 2012 19:53:03 GMT
I believe he is ex-special forces as well! when a country has conscription, the definition of special forces gets eroded. Just means he did 8 weeks basic training rather than 2. Training! Many of them should be so lucky. What I've heard from a couple of Greek students about what their National Service actually consisted of was quite scary. |
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Post by john07 on Jun 8, 2012 20:05:10 GMT
Training! Many of them should be so lucky. What I've heard from a couple of Greek students about what their National Service actually consisted of was quite scary. I have come across a number of Greek's who came to study in the UK to dodge the national service. One also had a Sudanese passport (his father was a civil engineer and had worked there for many years). If he returned to Greece he had to use the Sudanese Passport or he would have been arrested at the border and sent for his national service immediately. At one stage if someone stayed out of Greece for a few years they would avoid the draft but they later raised the cut off age to 60! No wonder the Greek economy is in such a mess. |
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Post by richardclemerson on Jun 8, 2012 20:38:55 GMT
Similar with the Turkish Cypriot army.
A former colleague bought himself out of all but 8 weeks of his 2 years national service & then did the remaining 8 weeks over 2 years using his holiday entitlement.
Received no training and spent his time preparing food for the mess.
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Post by Andrew_S on Jun 12, 2012 21:21:19 GMT
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cibwr
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Post by cibwr on Jun 16, 2012 11:00:11 GMT
What a thoroughly unpleasant party. I very much doubt that anyone here would support such actions. |
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 16, 2012 11:53:12 GMT
Anybody on this forum? Yes, I rather doubt it....... Or anybody in this country?? Regrettably, some would  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2012 12:49:28 GMT
the thing with this election, is that I doubt we will see any real change from a couple of months ago, what happens then ?
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Post by Andrew_S on Jun 16, 2012 20:39:36 GMT
What effect might Greece knocking Russia out of Euro 2012 have on the election if any?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2012 20:41:48 GMT
What effect might Greece knocking Russia out of Euro 2012 have on the election if any? was going to post that Andy and I think he will have a positive national pride effect. Not sure who that helps whether the party advocating Greece should say NO or the parties say ing Greece has to keep to the plans |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2012 20:48:53 GMT
What effect might Greece knocking Russia out of Euro 2012 have on the election if any? It can only be positive and therefore help New Democracy and the more-sensible Socialists. The nutters would have benefitted if Greece were humiliated tonight. |
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Richard Allen
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Post by Richard Allen on Jun 16, 2012 20:53:36 GMT
Chances are that this means that Greece will play Germany in the next round.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2012 20:58:45 GMT
What effect might Greece knocking Russia out of Euro 2012 have on the election if any? It can only be positive and therefore help New Democracy and the more-sensible Socialists. The nutters would have benefitted if Greece were humiliated tonight. no sure, a party arguing Greece should stand up to the Germans may become more popular |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2012 21:45:15 GMT
Chances are that this means that Greece will play Germany in the next round. I'm glad the election is tomorrow then! The Germans thumping the Greeks would not be good for the electoral outcome I'd like to see. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2012 22:30:36 GMT
Well reading tweets from the likes of Paul Mason there is lots of anti German sentiment on the streets of Athens tonight .
Desperate to meet Germany next it seems ....
If that is the sentiment to the ballot box ?
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Richard Allen
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Post by Richard Allen on Jun 17, 2012 0:33:34 GMT
Very, very interesting. On the eve of the poll Merkel speaks and tells the Greek people to vote for parties who will stick to austerity measures.
Am I the only one who thinks
a) This will likely have the opposite effect
b) Merkel must realise that
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tricky
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Post by tricky on Jun 17, 2012 9:31:45 GMT
There is an argument that some kind of mega crisis moment may be what is needed to remove heads from arses and cause people (governments) to do the necessary.
A Syriza win would probably count as such a crisis.
It would be an interesting trip through the looking glass that could lead to economic catastrophe but could also lead to governments coming to grips with what is really financially possible. It would take a brave politician to assume that the second option is more likely.
Still they were only pretty sure that the first nuclear reaction wouldn't set fire to the atmosphere and that worked out ok.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2012 9:34:09 GMT
Greeks have to vote in their own self interest and not for the EZ benefit. However the polls still show a majority support to stay in the EZ and if that is what the Greeks want they have to accept (at the moment) Germany's wishes.
It is of course clear that none of the major parties envisage pulling out of the EZ.
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Richard Allen
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Post by Richard Allen on Jun 17, 2012 10:19:07 GMT
There is an argument that some kind of mega crisis moment may be what is needed to remove heads from arses and cause people (governments) to do the necessary. A Syriza win would probably count as such a crisis. It would be an interesting trip through the looking glass that could lead to economic catastrophe but could also lead to governments coming to grips with what is really financially possible. It would take a brave politician to assume that the second option is more likely. Still they were only pretty sure that the first nuclear reaction wouldn't set fire to the atmosphere and that worked out ok. Quite possible. It is also possible that Merkel thinks a Greek exit would be in the interests of Germany and maybe the Euro zone as a whole. |
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