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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 22:07:23 GMT
At the risk of repeating myself, and bearing in mind in addition to what I've already said Labour held a division in Aldershot before last May which was on less favourable boundaries than the new Aldershot South, Labour 'should' be doing better in Rushmoor. And to think that reaction was provoked by me being complementary about the Labour group in Basingstoke & Deane...  If you will argue in obvious bad faith, this is to be expected. Yes, Labour did better in Aldershot in 2013 than 2017. This is because Labour did better nationwide in 2013 than 2017. I suspect the dropoff in Aldershot was probably worse than nationwide, but there are more obvious reasons than organisation for that. i would have thought that was obvious but there you go |
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Post by londonseal80 on Mar 2, 2018 22:27:53 GMT
Basingstoke is the only part of Hampshire County where Labour have properly got their act together... we're doing pretty well in Aldershot/Rushmoor too. Agreed as they have picked up in some of the old LD areas of Farnborough. |
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Post by aintree92 on Mar 2, 2018 23:00:13 GMT
Labour does very well in Aldershot Town and holds three (North Town, Aldershot Park and Wellington) of the five wards on Rushmoor, however in Farnborough they only hold one of eight with Cherrywood Ward. The Rushmoor Labour Group of eleven is one of the largest in the south east. In the Hampshire County seat of Aldershot South the Tories only beat Labour by three votes to win the division. At the risk of repeating myself, and bearing in mind in addition to what I've already said Labour held a division in Aldershot before last May which was on less favourable boundaries than the new Aldershot South, Labour 'should' be doing better in Rushmoor. And to think that reaction was provoked by me being complementary about the Labour group in Basingstoke & Deane... Without wishing to prolong the discussion but the old Aldershot East County seat was more favourable to Labour than the new Aldershot South division. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 23:04:40 GMT
I did not say either Hampshire or the County of Hampshire (of which Portsmouth and Southampton clearly are) I said Hampshire County which in this part of the world is shorthand for the area administered by Hampshire County Council. Of course I shouldn't have to explain this because with my deliberate form of words it should have been blatantly obvious... It was obvious but still wrong. If you mean the area currently administered by Hampshire County Council, then that's what you ought to write. 'Somerset County' would not be an acceptable abbreviation for the five districts (minus BANES & North Somerset) around here. Maybe it depends on where you live, but "County Name County", rather than just "County Name" is often used to specifically refer to a County Council area is common in speech for me - I live in Hampshire for Uni, Dorset otherwise. But I'd argue that in writing, it becomes even less ambiguous. Unless it's commonly actually part of the name (e.g. County Durham), writing 'county' along with the name of a county, to refer the entire county, wouldn't have the word capitalized - e.g. Hampshire county, Somerset county, surely? Whereas Hampshire County is shorthand for a term which does have county capitalized. |
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Post by Foggy on Mar 2, 2018 23:18:41 GMT
It was obvious but still wrong. If you mean the area currently administered by Hampshire County Council, then that's what you ought to write. 'Somerset County' would not be an acceptable abbreviation for the five districts (minus BANES & North Somerset) around here. Maybe it depends on where you live, but "County Name County", rather than just "County Name" is often used to specifically refer to a County Council area is common in speech for me - I live in Hampshire for Uni, Dorset otherwise. But I'd argue that in writing, it becomes even less ambiguous. Unless it's commonly actually part of the name (e.g. County Durham), writing 'county' along with the name of a county, to refer the entire county, wouldn't have the word capitalized - e.g. Hampshire county, Somerset county, surely? Whereas Hampshire County is shorthand for a term which does have county capitalized. For university I'd say I lived in Carnarvonshire, even though it ceased to be an administrative county 35 years before I enrolled as an undergraduate.  The shortest abbreviation I've seen in writing around here is 'the Somerset CC area'. '______ County' (without 'Council' or 'Cricket Club' after it) would look American, whereas '______ county' with the lower case just feels wrong. The 'county of ______' is acceptable, but clearly refers to a wider definition than that specified by unsentimental Whitehall cartographers. |
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Post by lancastrian on Mar 2, 2018 23:50:19 GMT
Basingstoke is the only part of Hampshire County where Labour have properly got their act together... If it were in most other towns, Kempshott would be easily a marginal. Would it? 2nd most owner-occupied ward in Hampshire, entirely in the 10% least deprived areas of the country, high average age etc. |
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Post by Khunanup on Mar 3, 2018 0:03:32 GMT
Your "part of the world" isn't a million kilometres from mine, you know. I guess this means the name Hampshire County Cricket Club is a reference to the fact that The Rose Bowl is located within the Borough of Eastleigh, else they'd have to rename themselves 'Hampshire County, Southampton and Portsmouth Cricket Club'. You really do make an utter fool of yourself sometimes. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Mar 3, 2018 0:25:16 GMT
Your "part of the world" isn't a million kilometres from mine, you know. I guess this means the name Hampshire County Cricket Club is a reference to the fact that The Rose Bowl is located within the Borough of Eastleigh, else they'd have to rename themselves 'Hampshire County, Southampton and Portsmouth Cricket Club'. The Aegeas Bowl to be precise šš |
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Post by Khunanup on Mar 3, 2018 0:26:56 GMT
If you will argue in obvious bad faith, this is to be expected. Yes, Labour did better in Aldershot in 2013 than 2017. This is because Labour did better nationwide in 2013 than 2017. I suspect the dropoff in Aldershot was probably worse than nationwide, but there are more obvious reasons than organisation for that. i would have thought that was obvious but there you go I've never come across such a bunch of paranoid Labourites than on this forum, always looking for ulterior motives from those nasty blues and yellows. Get your tin foil hats off lads... I'm trying in vain to figure out what I have to gain by bigging up Basingstoke Labour where we have a few councillors and are fighting them in May and doing down (unfairly apparently) a Labour Party in Rushmoor where we have no councillors and are unlikely to be winning any anytime soon. It's common knowledge in Hampshire that the Labour Party in their bright spots of Basingstoke and Southampton despair of their colleagues in the rest of the councils being unable to sustain electoral success for any length of time. Rushmoor are the best of the rest but with us having almost completely disappeared and now UKIP too they've got no excuses now. They're not exactly the only party in Hampshire that despairs of the performance of neighbouring parties in the rest of the county (East Hants and indeed Rushmoor being particularly dreadful for us...). |
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Post by Foggy on Mar 3, 2018 0:55:26 GMT
Your "part of the world" isn't a million kilometres from mine, you know. I guess this means the name Hampshire County Cricket Club is a reference to the fact that The Rose Bowl is located within the Borough of Eastleigh, else they'd have to rename themselves 'Hampshire County, Southampton and Portsmouth Cricket Club'. You really do make an utter fool of yourself sometimes. I've little doubt that I do, being human and all. On this issue, though, I believe it will be those who deny the unbreakable nature of our historic counties who are ultimately shown to be the real fools. Your "part of the world" isn't a million kilometres from mine, you know. I guess this means the name Hampshire County Cricket Club is a reference to the fact that The Rose Bowl is located within the Borough of Eastleigh, else they'd have to rename themselves 'Hampshire County, Southampton and Portsmouth Cricket Club'. The Aegeas Bowl to be precise šš Leading Labour member leaps to the defence of fleeting, soulless corporate stadium sponsors.  |
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Post by timmullen1 on Mar 3, 2018 0:59:37 GMT
You really do make an utter fool of yourself sometimes. I've little doubt that I do, being human and all. On this issue, though, I believe it will be those who deny the unbreakable nature of our historic counties who are ultimately shown to be the real fools. The Aegeas Bowl to be precise šš Leading Labour member leaps to the defence of fleeting, soulless corporate stadium sponsors. Thank you for āleading Labour memberā, Iām flattered. However I wasnāt defending it, as a cricketing traditionalist I loathe corporate sponsorship, and refuse to insert Kia into The Oval, but Iāll tolerate The Aegeas Bowl as it was either that or Hampshire CCC going out of business. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 9:52:26 GMT
Wouldn't go as far as paranoid. I've worked with genuine paranoia. Cynical maybe
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 3, 2018 10:25:26 GMT
Thank you for āleading Labour memberā, Iām flattered.However I wasnāt defending it, as a cricketing traditionalist I loathe corporate sponsorship, and refuse to insert Kia into The Oval, but Iāll tolerate The Aegeas Bowl as it was either that or Hampshire CCC going out of business. Sooner or later, everybody on here will recognise this forum "in-joke"  |
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Post by timmullen1 on Mar 3, 2018 10:52:50 GMT
Thank you for āleading Labour memberā, Iām flattered.However I wasnāt defending it, as a cricketing traditionalist I loathe corporate sponsorship, and refuse to insert Kia into The Oval, but Iāll tolerate The Aegeas Bowl as it was either that or Hampshire CCC going out of business. Sooner or later, everybody on here will recognise this forum "in-joke" When I get an āin-jokeā of any sort itāll be the day the asteroid hits, in the words of Del Amitri Iām always the last to know š |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 3, 2018 10:56:55 GMT
Your "part of the world" isn't a million kilometres from mine, you know. I guess this means the name Hampshire County Cricket Club is a reference to the fact that The Rose Bowl is located within the Borough of Eastleigh, else they'd have to rename themselves 'Hampshire County, Southampton and Portsmouth Cricket Club'. You really do make an utter fool of yourself sometimes. Most of the time actually, but on this rare occasion he is correct |
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Post by Khunanup on Mar 3, 2018 11:00:15 GMT
Wouldn't go as far as paranoid. I've worked with genuine paranoia. Cynical maybe Whatever you want to call it it's a depressing place to be especially when part of the point of this forum is analysis and appreciation of voting patterns/psephology in general from people of diverse political backgrounds. Some of the best analysis of Lib Dem prospects in certain places comes from non-Lib Dem members of this forum because they appreciate the electoral circumstances and voting patterns in their area better than any Lib Dem on here. Thinking that anyone not from your party has an ulterior motive when it comes to considering electoral prospects in a certain area really does make me question what you get out of this site in terms of elections. |
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Post by yellowperil on Mar 3, 2018 11:08:09 GMT
I've little doubt that I do, being human and all. On this issue, though, I believe it will be those who deny the unbreakable nature of our historic counties who are ultimately shown to be the real fools. Foggy I am really going to shock you now by questioning one of your core beliefs. I think you accept counties are the product of history. History by its very nature is about change. So what is historic cannot in my view be unbreakable.Call me a fool if you will, but I think counties are the dynamic products of historic development ,and not fossils. |
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 3, 2018 11:34:53 GMT
Sooner or later, everybody on here will recognise this forum "in-joke" When I get an āin-jokeā of any sort itāll be the day the asteroid hits, in the words of Del Amitri Iām always the last to know šBut it will Last a Lifetime,,,,,,, |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Mar 3, 2018 11:44:15 GMT
Your "part of the world" isn't a million kilometres from mine, you know. I guess this means the name Hampshire County Cricket Club is a reference to the fact that The Rose Bowl is located within the Borough of Eastleigh, else they'd have to rename themselves 'Hampshire County, Southampton and Portsmouth Cricket Club'. The Aegeas Bowl to be precise šš Toilet Bowl to be more accurate.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 12:30:20 GMT
Wouldn't go as far as paranoid. I've worked with genuine paranoia. Cynical maybe Whatever you want to call it it's a depressing place to be especially when part of the point of this forum is analysis and appreciation of voting patterns/psephology in general from people of diverse political backgrounds. Some of the best analysis of Lib Dem prospects in certain places comes from non-Lib Dem members of this forum because they appreciate the electoral circumstances and voting patterns in their area better than any Lib Dem on here. Thinking that anyone not from your party has an ulterior motive when it comes to considering electoral prospects in a certain area really does make me question what you get out of this site in terms of elections. maybe you're a nicer person than me but I only question what others say because to be frank I'd probably do the same |
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