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Post by andrew111 on Feb 23, 2018 0:13:17 GMT
Conservatives were actually third in Bognor Marine. LD 309 Lab 252 C 242 Ind 141 A poor result for them obviously, though the ward profile didn't make it sound like the kind of place you'd expect the Tories to do well especially nowadays given their huge deficit amongst both young people and renters. Well, yes, but I thought that demographic was supposed to be hating the Lib Dems for evermore?? |
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Post by thetop on Feb 23, 2018 0:14:12 GMT
More than 0% of libs would vote for you. ...and yet they didn't. |
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Post by beastofbedfordshire on Feb 23, 2018 0:15:46 GMT
More than 0% of libs would vote for you. ...and yet they didn't. hence the tac vote fail. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 23, 2018 0:16:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 0:18:43 GMT
Bridport North had a sizable vote share from the Conservatives, Labour and Lib Dems... it's interesting to note that this ward elected 1 councillor from each of the three parties in all-ups on 3 separate occasions in the '80s and '90s - by the very last time, Labour had lost most of its base in West Dorset but the Labour councillor here was long-standing and rather popular. He didn't stand in 2003 when this became a two person ward (it became three person again in 2011).
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Post by thetop on Feb 23, 2018 0:20:42 GMT
You're assuming they'd prioritise getting a left-wing cllr over keeping their centrist option (which they clearly prefer) competitive. I don't regard this as a left tactical-vote fail - although I would if Green & Labour combined would've won. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 23, 2018 0:21:56 GMT
DORSET Bridport
Mark Brandon Roberts (The Conservative Party Candidate) 1,660
David Gordon Rickard (Liberal Democrat Focus Team) 1,451
Rosa Jane Allwork (Labour Party) 691
Kelvin Charles Clayton (Green Party) 388
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Post by pepperminttea on Feb 23, 2018 0:22:02 GMT
A poor result for them obviously, though the ward profile didn't make it sound like the kind of place you'd expect the Tories to do well especially nowadays given their huge deficit amongst both young people and renters. Well, yes, but I thought that demographic was supposed to be hating the Lib Dems for evermore?? Well they're mostly voting Labour at the national level now and I struggle to see that changing any time soon. This was a local election where the Lib Dems obviously do far better than they do in generals both by being much more 'localist' than Con or Lab as well as being less polarising than either of them. The Lib Dems would not get anywhere near 33% in this ward in a general atm, they'd be pretty hard pressed to break 10%. |
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Post by beastofbedfordshire on Feb 23, 2018 0:22:44 GMT
You're assuming they'd prioritise getting a left-wing cllr over keeping their centrist option (which they clearly prefer) competitive. More like a ABT cllr of which left/right is a proxy. |
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Post by thetop on Feb 23, 2018 0:23:19 GMT
DORSET Bridport Mark Brandon Roberts (The Conservative Party Candidate) 1,660 David Gordon Rickard (Liberal Democrat Focus Team) 1,451 Rosa Jane Allwork (Labour Party) 691 Kelvin Charles Clayton (Green Party) 388 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 0:23:56 GMT
You're assuming they'd prioritise getting a left-wing cllr over keeping their centrist option (which they clearly prefer) competitive. You realise this was a Lib Dem defence, right? The Lib Dem voters here don't vote them in the hope that they have a chance in the future - in fact, this is one of the only times this century where Labour have been anywhere close to being able to win in West Dorset. |
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Post by andrew111 on Feb 23, 2018 0:39:11 GMT
You're assuming they'd prioritise getting a left-wing cllr over keeping their centrist option (which they clearly prefer) competitive. You realise this was a Lib Dem defence, right? The Lib Dem voters here don't vote them in the hope that they have a chance in the future - in fact, this is one of the only times this century where Labour have been anywhere close to being able to win in West Dorset. Well, pretty clearly in both Bridport contests the Lib Dems lost the personal vote that had been the only thing giving them wins in normal date local elections. And Labour persuaded enough Lib Dem (local) voters to switch to them to let the Tories in, which they probably regard as "job done" |
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Post by andrewteale on Feb 23, 2018 0:44:39 GMT
Ironically the tactical voting enthusiast Billy Bragg lives in Bridport county division.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 0:47:47 GMT
You realise this was a Lib Dem defence, right? The Lib Dem voters here don't vote them in the hope that they have a chance in the future - in fact, this is one of the only times this century where Labour have been anywhere close to being able to win in West Dorset. Well, pretty clearly in both Bridport contests the Lib Dems lost the personal vote that had been the only thing giving them wins in normal date local elections. And Labour persuaded enough Lib Dem (local) voters to switch to them to let the Tories in, which they probably regard as "job done" Ros Kayes is rather popular locally, but the Lib Dems have a reasonable amount of popularity beyond her in Bridport. The County Council candidate for the Liberal Democrats is a West Dorset councillor for Bridport South, for example - he's also a previous mayor of Bridport, and the Bridport North candidate is the current Town Council leader - the Lib Dems still have Town Council control in Bridport, and they have had it consistently for many years now. So while the personal vote was certainly lost, I certainly don't think it was the only thing giving them wins in Bridport - as much as it helped! |
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Post by yellowperil on Feb 23, 2018 1:11:04 GMT
Yes these were always going to be difficult defences, but I personally had hoped with good candidates in place with quite high local recognition they might just do enough to hang on,but it was not to be. Two main reasons as far as I can see- the configuration of both the ward and the county division after the last boundary changes tends to give the Tories a big advantage which needs everything to be absolutely right to stop a Tory walkover, and then the rise of the Labour vote meant a vote red get blue pattern became more likely.Maybe the Lib Dems didn't print enough bar charts?
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Post by yellowperil on Feb 23, 2018 1:19:04 GMT
Overall a mixed night for the Lib Dems with the 2 gains in West Somerset and West Sussex offset by the two losses in Bridport. If as we are told (but no actual confirmation yet?) we have also held Fishbourne we end up all square but a shame we couldn't come away with 5 wins to go with the three last week.
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Post by iain on Feb 23, 2018 1:35:07 GMT
Disappointing results in Bridport putting a dampener on the night for us. I thought we’d be at risk in the county division (where we actually didn’t do too badly), but am surprised we lost the district seat. Good result for the Tories there, and unfortunate for us that the Labour vote largely unsqueezed itself.
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Post by johnloony on Feb 23, 2018 3:56:11 GMT
I am still astonished that the statement from Wigan Council is still trying to pretend that he had ever resigned in the first place, and they are turning logic on its head when they claim that the voters are being denied the choice of who their councillor should be. I can't find the text of the actual judgment by the court - is there a link somewhere? It will be interesting to see if the R.O. is liable for the candidates' expenditure. |
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Post by andrew111 on Feb 23, 2018 7:45:28 GMT
Well, yes, but I thought that demographic was supposed to be hating the Lib Dems for evermore?? Well they're mostly voting Labour at the national level now and I struggle to see that changing any time soon. This was a local election where the Lib Dems obviously do far better than they do in generals both by being much more 'localist' than Con or Lab as well as being less polarising than either of them. The Lib Dems would not get anywhere near 33% in this ward in a general atm, they'd be pretty hard pressed to break 10%. Yes, you are correct at national level, although Bath and Oxford West/Abingdon show that in the right circumstances the ABT/Remain vote can coalesce again around Lib Dem as it used to before 2010. The Lib Dems have always had to defy gravity to win any seat against the "payroll vote" of the big two, but the potential well is much deeper on 8% nationally than on 20%. Sorry about my sarcastic comment! |
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Post by andrewp on Feb 23, 2018 7:53:27 GMT
The Bridport results, ( albeit influenced by the previous Councillors personal votes) are balancing out the other results at the moment. Bit of a everyone will be able to take something week.
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