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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 11, 2012 11:04:39 GMT
Just announced that Martin McGuinness is to stand down as a (non-attending) Member of the United Kingdom Parliament in order to concentrate on being Deputy First Minister in the Northern Ireland Executive.
If we're lucky this means another round of the 'Sinn Féiner appointed to Royal Stewardship tango' which we all so much enjoyed last January.
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Post by Tony Otim on Jun 11, 2012 11:13:45 GMT
2010 Result:
SF 21,239 (52.0)
DUP 5,876 (14.4)
SDLP 5,826 (14.3)
UCUNF 4,509 (11.0)
TUV 2,995 (7.3)
Alliance 397 (1.0)
In other words, another rather uninteresting by-election in all probability.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 11, 2012 11:15:05 GMT
In other words, another rather uninteresting by-election in all probability. Mid Ulster byelections in the past have tended to be very interesting indeed. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 11, 2012 11:16:26 GMT
Not much doubt about the winner, granted (though they said that about Bradford West, of course  ) But this should at least be marginally more interesting than Belfast West was last year ....... |
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Post by greatkingrat on Jun 11, 2012 11:24:56 GMT
In addition, it appears Michelle Gildernew is resigning her Assembly seat. No mention yet of if Pat Doherty or Conor Murphy are resigning from either body.
EDIT: According to UTV, Gildernew, Doherty, Murphy and Maskey are all resigning from the Assembly.
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Post by Crimson King on Jun 11, 2012 11:29:48 GMT
Not much doubt about the winner, granted (though they said that about Bradford West, of course ) But this should at least be marginally more interesting than Belfast West was last year ....... Surely Respect will be contesting this one as well... |
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Post by timrollpickering on Jun 11, 2012 11:42:13 GMT
2010 Result: SF 21,239 (52.0) DUP 5,876 (14.4) SDLP 5,826 (14.3) UCUNF 4,509 (11.0) TUV 2,995 (7.3) Alliance 397 (1.0) In other words, another rather uninteresting by-election in all probability. There could be some interest at the rear end - Belfast West saw a high "other" vote and there's also the fate of the TUV and UUP votes. But yeah this is uninteresting at the top-end - and to boot it's regularly the most boring constituency in the Assembly. The other Sinn Féin AMs are Michelle O'Neill and Francie Molloy who might be possible candidates (Gerry Adams was replaced by fellow AM Paul Maskey without leaving the Assembly). However O'Neill's a minister in the Executive and Molloy's the Principal Deputy Speaker in the Assembly which might raise questions about whether they can concentrate as well. Not that I think the election would hinge on that! |
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Post by john07 on Jun 11, 2012 11:57:49 GMT
2010 Result: SF 21,239 (52.0) DUP 5,876 (14.4) SDLP 5,826 (14.3) UCUNF 4,509 (11.0) TUV 2,995 (7.3) Alliance 397 (1.0) In other words, another rather uninteresting by-election in all probability. There could be some interest at the rear end - Belfast West saw a high "other" vote and there's also the fate of the TUV and UUP votes. But yeah this is uninteresting at the top-end - and to boot it's regularly the most boring constituency in the Assembly. The other Sinn Féin AMs are Michelle O'Neill and Francie Molloy who might be possible candidates (Gerry Adams was replaced by fellow AM Paul Maskey without leaving the Assembly). However O'Neill's a minister in the Executive and Molloy's the Principal Deputy Speaker in the Assembly which might raise questions about whether they can concentrate as well. Not that I think the election would hinge on that! The (non) MP for Mid Ulster hardly has an arduous schedule! |
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Post by Pimpernal on Jun 11, 2012 12:57:48 GMT
This could indicate a push on the double-hatting in the 6 counties... something that has been floating around the assembly for a while. If the Sinners do it, there will be a lot of pressure on the others to follow suit - excepts none of them really want to...
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Post by markgoodair on Jun 11, 2012 12:59:18 GMT
Not much doubt about the winner, granted (though they said that about Bradford West, of course ) But this should at least be marginally more interesting than Belfast West was last year ....... Surely Respect will be contesting this one as well... What is the size of the muslim population in Mid Ulster?? |
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Post by Crimson King on Jun 11, 2012 13:26:47 GMT
Surely Respect will be contesting this one as well... What is the size of the muslim population in Mid Ulster?? Are you suggesting that Respect isn't a mass working class movement, but rather that it has shall we say a more narrow appeal?? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2012 13:31:22 GMT
Surely Respect will be contesting this one as well... What is the size of the muslim population in Mid Ulster?? Just a question of adapting their religous fundamentalist persona ... |
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Post by iainbhx on Jun 11, 2012 14:25:27 GMT
Not much doubt about the winner, granted (though they said that about Bradford West, of course ) But this should at least be marginally more interesting than Belfast West was last year ....... Surely Respect will be contesting this one as well... Just needs a bit of work on the dodgy leaflets “God KNOWS who is a MuslimCatholic. And he KNOWS who is not,” it said. “Let me point out to all the Muslim Catholic brothers and sisters what I stand for. |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jun 11, 2012 14:30:41 GMT
The new Mid Ulster was made up of the old Mid Ulster that had not been moved into Tyrone West. The wards that make up the constituency are:
Dungannon and South Tyrone
Altmore, Coalisland North, Coalisland South, Coalisland West And Newmills, Donaghmore, Washing Bay
Cookstown
Ardboe, Coagh, Dunnamore, Gortalowry, Killycolpy, Killymoon, Lissan, Moneymore, Newbuildings, Oaklands, Oldtown, Pomeroy, Sandholes, Stewartstown, The Loop, Tullagh
Magherafelt
Ballymaguigan, Bellaghy, Castledawson, Draperstown, Glebe, Gulladuff, Knockcloghrim, Lecumpher, Lower Glenshane, Maghera, Swatragh, Tobermore, Town Parks East, Town Parks West, Upperlands, Valley
In the local elections last year, Sinn Fein GAINED overall control of Magherafelt council (the first time that Sinn Fein have ever won a council in Northern Ireland)
General Election 1992 (Notional)
Democratic Unionists 19,274 (41%)
Social Democratic and Labour Party 14,360 (31%)
Sinn Fein 11,340 (24%)
Alliance 1,229 (3%)
Others 779 (2%)
DUP win with a majortity of 4,914 (10%)
General Election 1997
Sinn Fein 20,294 (40% +16%)
Democratic Unionists 18,411 (36% -5%)
Social Democratic and Labour Party 11,205 (22% -9%)
Alliance 460 (1% -2%)
Worker's Party 238 (0% +0%)
Natural Law Party 61 (0% +0%)
Sinn Fein GAIN from DUP with a majority of 1,883 (4%) on a swing from DUP to SF of 10%
General Election 2001
Sinn Fein 25,502 (51% +11%)
Democratic Unionists 15,549 (31% -5%)
Social Democratic and Labour Party 8,376 (17% -5%)
Worker's Party 509 (1% +1%)
Sinn Fein HOLD with a majority of 9,953 (20%) on a swing from DUP to SF of 8%
General Election 2005
Sinn Fein 21,641 (48% -3%)
Democratic Unionists 10,665 (23% -8%)
Social Democratic and Labour Party 7,952 (17% unchanged)
Ulster Unionists 4,853 (11% +11%)
Worker's Party 345 (1% -0%)
Sinn Fein HOLD with a majority of 10,976 (24%) on a swing from DUP to SF of 2%
General Election 2010
Sinn Fein 21,239 (52% +4%)
Democratic Unionists 5,876 (14% -9%)
Social Democratic and Labour Party 5,826 (14% -3%)
Ulster Conservatives and Unionists 4,509 (11% unchanged on Ulster Unionists 2005)
Traditonal Unionist Voice 2,995 (7% +7%)
Alliance 397 (1% +1%)
Sinn Fein HOLD with a majority of 15,363 (38%) on a swing from DUP to SF of 7%
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jun 11, 2012 14:57:53 GMT
In addition, it appears Michelle Gildernew is resigning her Assembly seat. No mention yet of if Pat Doherty or Conor Murphy are resigning from either body. EDIT: According to UTV, Gildernew, Doherty, Murphy and Maskey are all resigning from the Assembly. I wonder what's behind the mass resignations? It seems very curious for them all to resign simultaneously. It's to do with the ending of the practice of "double jobbing" (serving at both Westminster and Stormont). |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2012 10:13:56 GMT
I don't post here anymore due to the attitude and childish behaviour of the partisan Labour posters, whose manner has completely ruined what was an interesting forum However I can't resist posting in by-election threads so here's the Mid Ulster results from 1983 As I have every reason to believe that the Labour posters on this forum won't change their ways I have no intention to post again beyond moments like this  |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 12, 2012 10:26:35 GMT
You don't post here anymore........but you just did anyway. Nice one  C,mon, be a man and sign up again. Just remember that if you are going to dish out invective, you shouldn't be surprised at a robust response. That applies to all of us, btw. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jun 12, 2012 11:42:57 GMT
I don't post here anymore due to the attitude and childish behaviour of the partisan Labour posters, whose manner has completely ruined what was an interesting forum I'm glad your self-awareness survived your departure. Does your graph takes into account boundary changes? They were fairly significant in 1997. It's strange that SF are focusing on double-hatting now, as it's not like their MPs have a big caseload. I wonder if they're considering ending their policy of abstensionism? McGuinness' resignation could be explained by a wish to let his replacement build up a personal vote prior to the Glenshane showdown in 2015, but the other resignations don't fit with that pattern. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jun 12, 2012 11:47:11 GMT
Yes, you can't act in an aggressive and highly partisan manner (which often tipped over into partisan abuse) and expect to have nothing thrown back at you in return. And in your case there's a lot to throw. Probably people wouldn't keep bringing up that public embarrassment of yours if you were to refrain from ranting about how the evil Labour Party loves to torture puppies.
Basically, we're all adults here. I think people would happily move on - it's only an internet forum for Christ's sake - if you were to come back and tone it down a tad.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 12, 2012 11:50:12 GMT
I don't post here anymore due to the attitude and childish behaviour of the partisan Labour posters, whose manner has completely ruined what was an interesting forum I'm glad your self-awareness survived your departure. Does your graph takes into account boundary changes? They were fairly significant in 1997. More than fairly significant I think its fair to say that the seat currently called Mid Ulster was in effect a new seat in 1997. The greater part of the old seat went to form West Tyrone |
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