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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 9:12:09 GMT
Amended once more with feeling  The 1992 result had the DUP on their own with 43%, the 2010 result had UUP, TUV and DUP with 32% combined. |
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Post by Crimson King on Oct 23, 2012 9:46:05 GMT
yes, my point being that the decline was between 92 and 01, with the unionist vote stable, albeit fragmented, since then
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 10:13:48 GMT
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Post by Andrew_S on Oct 24, 2012 16:12:16 GMT
When Dok puts up the map does that mean the writ has been moved?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 16:14:21 GMT
When Dok puts up the map does that mean the writ has been moved? Alas not. I can tell you that there's no better map than the one below for Norn Iron constituencies. |
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Post by stepney on Oct 24, 2012 16:30:43 GMT
McGuinness hasn't taken/been given the Chiltern Hundreds. Is this because he hasn't formally requested them (or stuck in a resignation letter, or whatever it was Gerry Adams did), or because George Osborne is no longer accepting resignation letters as requests for the Chiltern Hundreds after the farrago last time?
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Post by cibwr on Oct 24, 2012 22:16:24 GMT
Time this was changed, if an MP sends the Speaker a letter of resignation then they should be deemed no longer an MP. As we have no written constitution they Speaker can make it up as they go along. Not to do so discredits the institution.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 24, 2012 22:26:29 GMT
Time this was changed, if an MP sends the Speaker a letter of resignation then they should be deemed no longer an MP. As we have no written constitution they Speaker can make it up as they go along. Not to do so discredits the institution. Another case of not being able to tell the difference between a constitution which is unwritten in the sense that it's not written in a single document, and not having a constitution. In fact there is a written record of a Resolution of the House of Commons of 2 March 1623/4 stating that "a man, after he is duly chosen, cannot relinquish." The Speaker does not have the ability to unilaterally alter the constitution or to overrule resolutions of the House. The Speaker is the servant of the House. There has been a subtle change as a result of l'affaire Adams. Instead of moving the writ "in room of A.B., who .. hath accepted the office of" it is now "has been appointed to the office of". Cunningly this new form of words was adopted after Adams had received the Chiltern Hundreds but before the writ was moved for his byelection. |
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Post by stepney on Oct 24, 2012 22:27:30 GMT
Time this was changed, if an MP sends the Speaker a letter of resignation then they should be deemed no longer an MP. As we have no written constitution they Speaker can make it up as they go along. Not to do so discredits the institution. That doesn't answer my question at all. As you undoubtedly know, by a resolution of the House in 1624, a Member of the House cannot just resign the sacred trust put in them by their constituents to represent them in Parliament. Until that resolution is rescinded, members can only, inter alia, exit the House through appointment to an office of profit under the Crown such as the Stewardship of the Three Hundreds of Chiltern or that of the Manor of Northstead. My question related to whether such office had been conferred on Martin McGuinness and whether the Chancellor had omitted to faciliate him in the way he had Gerry Adams. The Speaker has nothing to do with it whatsoever and your comment is of no use whatsoever. |
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Post by cibwr on Oct 25, 2012 8:05:53 GMT
Time then the Commons rescind that resolution and actually just allowed people to resign - not to do so and hiding behind ancient forms is just silly - to play politics with it just makes the institution look ridiculous.
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Post by johnloony on Oct 25, 2012 9:29:34 GMT
Time this was changed, if an MP sends the Speaker a letter of resignation then they should be deemed no longer an MP. As we have no written constitution they Speaker can make it up as they go along. Not to do so discredits the institution. I am surprised that such a nincompoopismatic statement was written by someone from Plaid Cymru rather than a Liberal Democrat. David is of course correct in his response, subject to the constitutional dictum that "the Constitution is what happens" (J.A.G.Griffith, LSE). |
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Post by johnloony on Oct 25, 2012 9:32:41 GMT
McGuinness hasn't taken/been given the Chiltern Hundreds. Is this because he hasn't formally requested them (or stuck in a resignation letter, or whatever it was Gerry Adams did), or because George Osborne is no longer accepting resignation letters as requests for the Chiltern Hundreds after the farrago last time? I presume it is the first of those options. Gerry Adams wrote a letter to the Speaker to say that he had "resigned", knowing full well that he needed to be appointed to a disqualifying position in order to resign, and with both persons knowing that it was convenient for Adms's letter to be interpreted as a request for such an appointment, albeit with it being explicitly stated as such by Adams. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2012 11:35:26 GMT
Wikipedia tells me that the "Escheator of Ulster" is a former position used for the purpose of disqualifying MPs who wished to resign, maybe they could bring this back |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Oct 25, 2012 12:05:37 GMT
I'd like to be Steward of the Manor of Kennington, Surrey.
Does it get me anything off the price of a pint in the Pavilion?
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Post by irish observer on Oct 25, 2012 18:57:26 GMT
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Post by johnloony on Dec 7, 2012 19:55:06 GMT
I wonder if Martin McGuinness has forgotten that he was going to resign?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2012 21:01:37 GMT
not with 60K a year in a safe seat where no one will pressure him he will not.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Dec 8, 2012 0:06:25 GMT
not with 60K a year in a safe seat where no one will pressure him he will not. He gets a salary of £0 because he has not taken his seat. |
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Post by markgoodair on Dec 8, 2012 7:37:51 GMT
not with 60K a year in a safe seat where no one will pressure him he will not. He gets a salary of £0 because he has not taken his seat. But is paid expenses. |
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Post by innocentabroad on Dec 8, 2012 10:05:15 GMT
He gets a salary of £0 because he has not taken his seat. But is paid expenses. Could someone please explain to me what the expenses of not doing something are? In my experience, they are incurred after a lapse of time, or not at all. Why should an MP's be different? |
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