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Post by Tangent on Nov 2, 2012 18:47:11 GMT
I noticed whilst looking into the Steward etc. details on Wikipedia that there are, potentially, lots more of these 'positions' which could be used. I think some of the less well known ones should be given an airing once or twice, just for a change. They can't be uaed now, as only the three existing stewardships have been reserved for use under the House of Commons Disqualification Act 1975. |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Nov 2, 2012 19:59:01 GMT
They can't be uaed now, as only the three existing stewardships have been reserved for use under the House of Commons Disqualification Act 1975. |
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Post by Tangent on Nov 2, 2012 20:00:18 GMT
Apologies - two.
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Post by YL on Nov 2, 2012 20:12:31 GMT
Result 2010 General election Labour Denis MacShane 16,741 44.6 −13.1 Conservative Jackie Whiteley 6,279 16.7 +3.4 Liberal Democrat Rebecca Taylor 5,994 16.0 −0.4 BNP Marlene Guest 3,906 10.4 +4.5 Independent Peter Thirlwall 2,366 6.3 +6.3 UKIP Caven Vines 2,220 5.9 +2.0 Majority 10,462 27.9 Turnout 37,506 59.0 +4.9 Labour hold Swing −8.3 Those figures do bear some similarity to the Barnsley Central 2010 figures. I wonder if UKIP can take advantage of LD and BNP difficulties and get second place again? Quite likely, I'd have thought. UKIP are quite well organised in Rotherham, with a lot of candidates in local elections, many of whom get decent votes, and the best Tory area in the town is outside the parliamentary constituency. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Nov 2, 2012 20:16:25 GMT
I noticed whilst looking into the Steward etc. details on Wikipedia that there are, potentially, lots more of these 'positions' which could be used. I think some of the less well known ones should be given an airing once or twice, just for a change. They can't be uaed now, as only the three existing stewardships have been reserved for use under the House of Commons Disqualification Act 1975. There is, however, a lengthy list of other posts that carry disqualification. We would have been spared all the "Is he or isn't he?" with Gerry Adams if they'd just made him a director of Northern Ireland Water. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2012 20:20:05 GMT
I noticed whilst looking into the Steward etc. details on Wikipedia that there are, potentially, lots more of these 'positions' which could be used. I think some of the less well known ones should be given an airing once or twice, just for a change. They can't be uaed now, as only the three existing stewardships have been reserved for use under the House of Commons Disqualification Act 1975. Obliged. |
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Post by Tangent on Nov 2, 2012 20:20:06 GMT
OTOH, you would need a post that wouldn't disqualify him from the NIA simultaneously.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2012 20:20:50 GMT
They can't be uaed now, as only the three existing stewardships have been reserved for use under the House of Commons Disqualification Act 1975. There is, however, a lengthy list of other posts that carry disqualification. We would have been spared all the "Is he or isn't he?" with Gerry Adams if they'd just made him a director of Northern Ireland Water. Well it's there for Martin McGuinness if he needs it. Maybe he's just forgotten about writing a letter to the Treasury? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 2, 2012 20:21:10 GMT
OTOH, you would need a post that wouldn't disqualify him from the NIA simultaneously. No, because he resigned from that in December 2010 and did not stand in the 2011 election. |
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Post by Tangent on Nov 2, 2012 20:35:34 GMT
Bah!
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Post by YL on Nov 3, 2012 10:37:31 GMT
Here are the 2011 and 2012 local election results for wards in the constituency.
Boston Castle
2011: Lab 45%, Con 28%, UKIP 15%, LD 7%, TUSC 5%
2012: Lab 58%, UKIP 18%, Con 14%, TUSC 5%, LD 3%, Loony 2%
Brinsworth & Catcliffe
2011: Lab 63%, Con 20%, BNP 17%
2012: Lab 55%, BNP 30%, Con 16%
Keppel
2011: Lab 49%, UKIP 23%, Con 19%, LD 9%
2012: Lab 66%, LD 17%, Con 17% (LD 15 votes ahead of Con)
Rotherham East
2011: Lab 64%, BNP 12%, UKIP 11%, Con 9%, John Lilburne Democratic Party 4%
2012: Lab 55%, UKIP 14%, Con 13%, LD 7%, Green 6%, Ind 4%
Rotherham West
2011: Lab 62%, UKIP 27%, Con 11%
2012: Lab 62%, UKIP 26%, Con 7%, LD 5%
Valley
2011: Lab 65%, Con 20%, BNP 15%
2012: Lab 65%, Con 19%, BNP 15%
Wingfield
2011: Lab 55%, BNP 17%, UKIP 16%, Con 12%
2012: Lab 62%, BNP 29%, Con 10%
Constituency (with the caveat that only Lab and Con are anywhere near a full slate)
2011: Lab 57%, Con 17%, UKIP 12%, BNP 8%, LD 4%, others each <1%.
2012: Lab 60%, Con 13%, BNP 10%, UKIP 9%, LD 5%, others each <1%.
So UKIP came second everywhere they stood this year, but that was only three wards. The BNP still did disturbingly well in a couple of wards (one of which they won in 2008) in spite of their problems; I don't know how that's developed in the last six months.
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Post by iainbhx on Nov 3, 2012 18:02:32 GMT
Given the Rotherham grooming scandal, I suspect that a candidate from the right who was willing to work that could do very well. Labour may have to be quite careful in choosing its candidate here.
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Post by Andrew_S on Nov 3, 2012 18:05:04 GMT
Both UKIP and BNP can poll more votes than the LDs IMO.
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 3, 2012 18:10:51 GMT
Given the Rotherham grooming scandal, I suspect that a candidate from the right who was willing to work that could do very well. Labour may have to be quite careful in choosing its candidate here. A tad over-dramatic, IMO. Though that and other factors mean I suspect Labour will go for a quick poll - not impossible this could be on Nov 29 with CN and 'Boro?? |
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Post by iainbhx on Nov 3, 2012 18:43:41 GMT
Given the Rotherham grooming scandal, I suspect that a candidate from the right who was willing to work that could do very well. Labour may have to be quite careful in choosing its candidate here. A tad over-dramatic, IMO. Though that and other factors mean I suspect Labour will go for a quick poll - not impossible this could be on Nov 29 with CN and 'Boro?? Oh, they won't win. Rotherham is pig's bladder with a red rosette territory, but those ward results are quite interesting. Given a really low turnout which is entirely possible on the 29th of November. It might not be impossible for a local-ish hardworking UKIPer to come second with about 20%. Luckily for Labour, the worst candidate is likely to be elected as the local police commissioner. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Nov 3, 2012 22:34:21 GMT
Oh, they won't win. Rotherham is a pig's bladder with a red rosette territory, Apologies if someone replied and I missed it, but was it McShane who was being referred to when Lord Sutch said "In this constituency a pig's bladder with a red rosette could get elected... and it has!"? Or was that some other by-election? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2012 3:37:32 GMT
BNP candidate Marlene Guest |
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Post by YL on Nov 4, 2012 7:54:17 GMT
BNP candidate Marlene Guest She was the BNP candidate in Wingfield ward in both 2011 and 2012. |
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Post by the_bullies on Nov 4, 2012 10:56:42 GMT
I would be surprised if they dont go for Nov 29th with the other two. I'm told it depends if we think we can organize enough volunteers (& organize the campaign) quickly enough to the satisfaction of the leadership. My opinion is that it would be a mistake to wait too long as we could capitalize on the successful results (potentially) in the other three by-elections for the 'big-mo'. Plus it's harder for opposition parties to organize in safe seats held by us as we have more volunteers & it's generally in areas surrounded by other 'safe' seats with more activists that can be mobilized.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2012 10:58:35 GMT
any obvious candidates for Labour in what should be a must win seat ?
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