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Post by minionofmidas on Apr 23, 2023 18:14:54 GMT
And almost came first in Salzburg town (might yet once postal votes are in, Austrians count them a few days later).
I am so used to associating the KPÖ with Graz that, reading about their impending triumphant return to the state house and of upcoming elections in Salzburg, I actually assumed for a few days that there were elections in both Salzburg and Styria. Salzburg... KPÖ in double digits... cannot compute
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Post by johnloony on Apr 23, 2023 18:32:42 GMT
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Post by minionofmidas on Apr 23, 2023 19:56:46 GMT
yes but this was Salzburg. |
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Post by johnloony on Apr 23, 2023 21:30:12 GMT
yes but this was Salzburg. I was merely indicating an example of the fact that the KPÖ is a non-negligible political force in Austria. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 24, 2023 3:58:33 GMT
yes but this was Salzburg. I was merely indicating an example of the fact that the KPÖ is a non-negligible political force in Austria. So far it has been negligible! But probably no longer is - as can be seen here, i had in older posts already had a close eye on them. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 24, 2023 4:01:24 GMT
The Communists received 11%? 😳🤯 Yes, for the first time - in any austrian region - receiving more than 10%. And this in Salzburg, which has always been very hostile towards them (even after 1945 getting never 4%). |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 24, 2023 4:04:06 GMT
Updated overView of Salzburg's regional electionResults:  All regional elec.res. since last time (fat = sums), measured at - all eligible votes:   - only valid votes:   Votes:  VoteStreams according to - Salzburg's Statistical Office:  - SORA:  |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 24, 2023 4:12:38 GMT
Biggest gainer (SPÖ succeeded only in 1 municipality, which is home to its new leader):  The real surprise was, how much KPÖ was able to expand into the city's subUrbs - which are generally very wealthy, but with exploding costs (especially for flats). |
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Post by rcronald on Apr 24, 2023 4:49:20 GMT
Biggest gainer (SPÖ succeeded only in 1 municipality, which is home to its new leader): The real surprise was, how much KPÖ was able to expand into the city's subUrbs - which are generally very wealthy, but with exploding costs (especially for flats). Did you vote FPO, OVP or abstained? |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 24, 2023 6:25:13 GMT
Biggest gainer (SPÖ succeeded only in 1 municipality, which is home to its new leader): The real surprise was, how much KPÖ was able to expand into the city's subUrbs - which are generally very wealthy, but with exploding costs (especially for flats). Did you vote FPO, OVP or abstained? I abstained - as always. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 24, 2023 6:25:40 GMT
SalzburgCity - guess, where the wokeWarriors/BoBos live:  On the materialistic level the city is clearly divided into a poor north (=SPÖ/FPÖ) and a wealthy (=ÖVP/NEOS/Greens) south (full of NIMBYs). Landtag-election 2018:  LandTag 2013 vs. 2018:  CityCouncil-election 2019:  2014 vs. 2019:  |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 24, 2023 6:31:25 GMT
Despite living in the city's SE, where the old upperClass lives (until recently also the regional ÖVP-PrimeMinister), my precinct fell to the KPÖ!
Certainly not for economical reasons, it must be the many graduates here.
Whereas the SW, where the KPÖ performed worst, is home of the new rich, who are perhaps less formally educated?
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Post by rcronald on Apr 24, 2023 6:41:41 GMT
Despite living in the city's SE, where the old upperClass lives (until recently also the regional ÖVP-PrimeMinister), my precinct fell to the KPÖ! Certainly not for economical reasons, it must be the many graduates here. Whereas the SW, where the KPÖ performed worst, is home of the new rich, who are perhaps less formally educated? Many members of Nouveau-Riche became wealthy because they disliked the system they grew up in (aka aspirational), tend to be very upwardly mobile and don't have the time & privilege to think about others. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 24, 2023 7:11:57 GMT
SalzburgCity - guess, where the wokeWarriors/BoBos live: To be not misunderstood: Some of KPÖ's strongest districts cover the city's poorest areas with lots of imMigrants; it's just, that they are (partly) also gentrifying - thus we'd need an analysis on precinct-level to see, whether they appealed (more) to the poor or the graduates. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 28, 2023 15:18:58 GMT
In Salzburg ÖVP's PM Haslauer - one of the few more reflective politicians - surprised with proposing ÖVP&FPÖ&SPÖ (so a reBirth of the proportional governments in use before 1999). SPÖ has refused so far, thus it could be in the end by deFault ÖVP&FPÖ (Haslauer's per se least liked variant).
43% of Austrians governed by Black&Blue would result in a for ÖVP painful debate on federal level, whether they would actually make Kickl chancellor (what is opposed by ~70%).
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Post by rcronald on Apr 28, 2023 16:08:04 GMT
In Salzburg ÖVP's PM Haslauer - one of the few more reflective politicians - surprised with proposing ÖVP&FPÖ&SPÖ (so a reBirth of the proportional governments in use before 1999). SPÖ has refused so far, thus it could be in the end by deFault ÖVP&FPÖ (Haslauer's per se least liked variant). 43% of Austrians governed by Black&Blue would result in a for ÖVP painful debate on federal level, whether they would actually make Kickl chancellor (what is opposed by ~70%). Kickl is on the right of the FPO, right? |
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Post by aargauer on Apr 28, 2023 17:41:04 GMT
SalzburgCity - guess, where the wokeWarriors/BoBos live: On the materialistic level the city is clearly divided into a poor north (=SPÖ/FPÖ) and a wealthy (=ÖVP/NEOS/Greens) south (full of NIMBYs). Landtag-election 2018: The 30.18% should be offered a one way ticket to North Korea. |
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Post by johnloony on Apr 28, 2023 17:51:23 GMT
The 30.18% should be offered a one way ticket to North Korea. What a ridiculous non-sequitur. The 30% of voters who voted for a revisionist semi-bourgeois environmentalist feminist quasi-social democratic party in an advanced modern western capitalist bourgeois democracy are hardly likely to want to go to live in a distant impoverished exotic Asian state with an oppressive totalitarian regime based on an autocratic personality cult under the cloak of eclectic Marxism-Leninist and local ideology. Even if such voters were devoted adherents of Juche, Songun, and Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism (which probably almost none of them are), there’s nomreason to suppose that the DPRK would accept them in. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 28, 2023 20:59:46 GMT
In Salzburg ÖVP's PM Haslauer - one of the few more reflective politicians - surprised with proposing ÖVP&FPÖ&SPÖ (so a reBirth of the proportional governments in use before 1999). SPÖ has refused so far, thus it could be in the end by deFault ÖVP&FPÖ (Haslauer's per se least liked variant). 43% of Austrians governed by Black&Blue would result in a for ÖVP painful debate on federal level, whether they would actually make Kickl chancellor (what is opposed by ~70%). Kickl is on the right of the FPO, right? Yes. Like Haider he is very engaged in welfare-affairs. But the latter was - despite (or rather because of) his brown backGround (the father was an illegal Nazi) more a vague "reformist" (socially engaged, but then for privatizing the public industry and generally removing the outdated SPÖVP-system of the postWar-era). Whereas Kickl - per se a typical "intellectual", who would be a marxist/leftRadical in any normal country - grew politically already up under FPÖ's success in the 1990ies with xenoPhobia. InSiders claim, that he is only interested in issues of nationalism and socialism. And while Strache was not too intelligent, but seen as a nice guy with fairly high symPathy-levels (for a FPÖ-politician), Kickl ("Strache's brain") comes across as the opPosite: the disliked lonely, puristic ideoLogue. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 28, 2023 21:13:53 GMT
The 30.18% should be offered a one way ticket to North Korea. What a ridiculous non-sequitur. The 30% of voters who voted for a revisionist semi-bourgeois environmentalist feminist quasi-social democratic party in an advanced modern western capitalist bourgeois democracy are hardly likely to want to go to live in a distant impoverished exotic Asian state with an oppressive totalitarian regime based on an autocratic personality cult under the cloak of eclectic Marxism-Leninist and local ideology. Even if such voters were devoted adherents of Juche, Songun, and Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism (which probably almost none of them are), there’s nomreason to suppose that the DPRK would accept them in. Salzburg's popular KPÖ-leader was initially indeed within TheGreens-Youth, which was expelled by the party for their leftRadicalisn and fled under the umbrella of KPÖ (thus their augmented name "KPÖ+"). He defined himself as a marxist, but i doubt, that he - or many of his supporters - has read (let alone understood) MARX. But communisn lives not least from those, who are just spiritually desperate, deranged, deprived and find in that immanentistical mysticism a home. |
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