Croydon North byelection

[johnloony]

If the hustings meeting had been attended by all 93,000 electors instead of just a couple of hundred, then the Lib Dem would have got about 200 votes (she really was that useless) and the Green Party would have got thousands.

[johnloony]

Tally samples:

First day of postal votes (Tuesday 27th November):
Lab 288 Con 107 UKIP 33 LD 5 Grn 14 Rsp 9 CPA 4 NF 7 Comm 2 OMRLP 3 NEWAIJ 0 YPP 3

Second day of postal votes (Wednesay 28th):
Lab 124 Con 42 UKIP 16 LD 11 Grn 5 Rsp 3 CPA 2 NF 0 Comm 1 OMRLP 3 NEWAIJ 0 YPP 0

Polling stations:
Broad Green 3: Lab 78 Con 23 UKIP 2 LD 1 Grn 1 CPA1
Upper Norwood 6: Lab 72 Con 33 UKIP 2 LD 6 Grn 3 Rsp 8 OMRLP 1
Thornton Heath 6: Lab 65 Con 9 UKIP 2 LD 2 Grn 5 Rsp 3 Comm 3 OMRLP 1 NEWAIJ 1
Selhurst 7: Lab 50 Con 7 UKIP 2 LD 2 Grn 1 Rsp 5 OMRLP 1 NEWAIJ 1 YPP 1
Norbury 2: Lab 34 Con 24 UKIP 5 LD 1 Grn 1 Rsp 2 CPA 1 NF 1 YPP 1
West Thornton 6: Lab 44 Con 7 UKIP 2 LD 2 Grn 6 Rsp 2 NF 2 Comm 1
Broad Green 1: Lab 7 Con 1
Bensham Manor 1: Lab 124 Con 26 UKIP 17 LD 4 Grn 15 Rsp 8 CPA 2 NF 1 Comm 1 OMRLP 3 NEWAIJ 2 YPP 2

I concentrated on tallying BM1 because that's where I delivered most of my leaflets (it was where I got my nomination signatures from).

[johnloony]

During the count I was interviewed by Bieneosa Ebite from Croydon Radio
audioboo.fm/boos/1086567-john-cartwright-official-monster-raving-loony-party?playlist_direction=forward

[nord]

Nov 30, 2012 6:45:47 GMT justlooking said:

I am surprised they are more communists than loonies. It just shows every party suffers from vote splitting, thats to say John can get all the loonies to vote for him next time a communist doesn't stand

John is a communist. Go on his website to see him admit many Marxist influences. He also claims to have attended Marxist conferences.

John's leaflets on his website also show the communist sickle.

He's in the wrong party. As far as I'm aware other Loonies aren't communist, instead they satire all ideologies. I see no satire from John. He seems to be a serious hardline communist -- so yea he probably did split the communist party vote.

[nord]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Monster_Raving_Loony_Party

- No link of any communist connection. But the Croydon branch are openly communist. This should be updated to warn the public.

Dirty trick to fool people into thinking the loonies are a harmless satire party, when in reality they are communist (the ideology that killed millions of innocent people). Like I said i don't see any satire from John, he appears to just be hiding behind the loonies with their innocent satire to get more votes - hiding his hardline and extremist communist stance.

[The Bishop]

If you are referring to our own johnloony, he is a self-confessed supporter of the present Tory/LibDem coalition. Not exactly a "commie" thing to do........

[greatkingrat]

His policies are actually pretty right wing
www.thisiscroydontoday.co.uk/Croydon-North-Official-Monster-Raving-Loony-Party/story-17404070-detail/story.html

[nord]

www.croydonloony.co.uk/

"John Cartwright [...] attended the conferences of Unite Against Fascism from 2005 to 2008, Marxism 2007, and Marxism 2008 in July 2008."

John attended Marxist meetings 4 years ago, and secondly puts communist sickles on his leaflets:

[Pete Whitehead]

I think you may be taking it a tad too seriously nord

[Pimpernal]

Dec 1, 2012 13:53:53 GMT @nord said:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Monster_Raving_Loony_Party

- No link of any communist connection. But the Croydon branch are openly communist. This should be updated to warn the public.

Dirty trick to fool people into thinking the loonies are a harmless satire party, when in reality they are communist (the ideology that killed millions of innocent people). Like I said i don't see any satire from John, he appears to just be hiding behind the loonies with their innocent satire to get more votes - hiding his hardline and extremist communist stance.

Oh just fk off you pointless little troll.

[arnieetc]

John believes in STV, and has previously voted Ukip, so I won't have a bad word said about him.

[The Bishop]

Dec 1, 2012 20:27:35 GMT @boogieeck said:

But no negative impact on the UKIP vote

At least arguable, given his performance was easily the least impressive of the three UKIP candidates.

[AdminSTB]

Do the Loonies have to be "funny"? (And who decides what is funny?)

As far as I was concerned, the point of the Loony platform was just to stand for the sake of standing. Partly ego puff, partly a statement of democratic rights.

[Richard Allen]

Dec 1, 2012 20:27:35 GMT @boogieeck said:

Then UKIP. Joke candidate, loony attention seeker, although clearly sincere about his patriotism and opposition to immigration. No sense of Irony. Or maybe he is entirely ironic. But no negative impact on the UKIP vote.

I think McKenzie clearly does alienate some people who are potential UKIP voters (and I don't mean because he is black) but he probably does bring in a few votes as well.

Dec 1, 2012 20:27:35 GMT @boogieeck said:

So people are voting UKIP regardless of Bloom, Mckenzie and others. What will happen first, idiots getting elected, or the vote topping out or idiots being ousted by serious people? Richard?

Impossible to say really. We clearly are not going to get an MP any time soon unless we get a by election in the right type of constituency (Tory seat with poor Lab and LD infrastructure). If that happens the NEC must be careful to ensure that the candidate is actually of sufficient calibre that his/her election would be beneficial to the party in the long run. As the NEC is to all intents and purposes a rubber stamp for Farage I am not entirely confident that they would do so.

[Richard Allen]

Dec 1, 2012 22:52:01 GMT @boogieeck said:

Well you know full well that my objection to Winston is not because his is an immigrant, its because he is a buffoon.

Indeed. I just wanted to make clear that my objections were for the same reasons. I don't mind being critical of high profile party colleagues in public but I wouldn't want to give anyone the glimmer of an opportunity to attack me for being racist towards a party colleague.

[Richard Allen]

Dec 1, 2012 23:15:40 GMT @boogieeck said:

Your worry is that you still have such a shallow pool of talent that he gets selected for a by election let alone an election.

The story surrounding how McKenzie got selected is both long and boring. All I will say is that I considerable sympathy for my colleagues in the Croydon Branch (which only covers Croydon South and Croydon Central) who have to try and campaign in the Borough of Croydon while having such a liability getting so much local media attention, much of it bad.

[Davıd Boothroyd]

Michael Crick reported on his C4 News blog to the effect that Nigel Farage knows a lot of UKIP's MEPs are poor quality and is planning a clear-out before 2014. The fact that the apparent solution to this problem of many senior UKIP figures being populist lightweights is to recruit Christine Hamilton shows what a serious problem it really is.

[Richard Allen]

Dec 1, 2012 23:52:14 GMT Davıd Boothroyd said:

Michael Crick reported on his C4 News blog to the effect that Nigel Farage knows a lot of UKIP's MEPs are poor quality and is planning a clear-out before 2014. The fact that the apparent solution to this problem of many senior UKIP figures being populist lightweights is to recruit Christine Hamilton shows what a serious problem it really is.

Translation. Nigel Farage knows that many his last batch of poor quality MEPs are no longer as obedient as they once were and therefore plans to bring in a new batch of poor quality MEPs in the hope that they will be more obedient. Selecting high quality MEP candidates simply isn't on the agenda.

[nord]

Dec 1, 2012 22:47:53 GMT Richard Allen said:

I think McKenzie clearly does alienate some people who are potential UKIP voters (and I don't mean because he is black) but he probably does bring in a few votes as well.

A Black UKIP candidate will loose UKIP votes from voters who are racialist. I've been on plenty of forums and encountered this. As long as the candidate is White, UKIP has support on places like Stormfront.

[johnloony]

Dec 1, 2012 15:48:19 GMT @nord said:

John attended Marxist meetings 4 years ago, and secondly puts communist sickles on his leaflets:

Dec 1, 2012 13:53:53 GMT @nord said:

But the Croydon branch are openly communist. This should be updated to warn the public.

... John ... appears to just be hiding behind the loonies with their innocent satire to get more votes - hiding his hardline and extremist communist stance.

Just in case you are intending to be serious rather than just trying to be an annoying troll, here are the facts:

1. "Puts communist sickles on his leaflets"
Put. Past tense. Not since 2009.

2. "The Croydon branch [of the OMRLP] are openly communist"
"Are" implies more than one person. The Croydon branch of the OMRLP is just me, nobody else. "Is" would be more accurate than "are"; "was" would be more accurate than "is"; and "tried to be" would be more accurate than "was".

3. Since 2004 I have attended a number of public meetings which have been organised by a number of left-wing organisations, in particular by the Communist Party of Great Britain (Marxist-Leninist). This was from curiosity and interest in wanting to explore a range of different viewpoints.

4. From about late 2006 to about early 2009, I read a lot of Marxist-Leninist literature including books by or about Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mao and others. From that, I was for a time trying to learn about Marxism and I was trying to become a Marxist. At that time I would have said that I was a Marxist (or a "Marxist with Loony Characteristics") - and I did describe myself as such openly on my website and in public statements elsewhere.

5. In late 2008 and early 2009, a number of events happened which made me realise gradually that
(a) I wasn't a Marxist, even though I had been (for a time) trying to become one;
(b) I had never been a Marxist, even though I thought I had been one;
(c) I didn't want to be a Marxist anyway.

6. Throughout the entire time period mentioned above, I was always a staunch monarchist (a position I have held firmly since 1992) and I never deviated from a support for STV within a multi-party democracy. I am now an enthusiastic centre-right supporter of the Coalition, and if there were a general election now then I would vote Conservative in Croydon Central constituency.

7. I have always been open about all of these events and facts, and I have never tried to "hide" them.

If you have trawled through my website looking for evidence of my "communist" connections, then you will have noticed (and presumably read) the essay article entitled "Why I Am Not A Marxist Any More" which I wrote in September 2009 and which is clearly linked from the front page of my website, which clearly describes by renunciation of Marxism.

If you are (or were) genuinely concerned about my former or current communist connections, why have you only just now decided to "warn" people about it? Why not do so before the by-election? Oh, - I'm forgetting you're just a silly troll.