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Post by jimboo2017 on Jan 30, 2018 18:40:01 GMT
But enough about debates at Stormont... Have they even re-convened yet?  No but channels of communication are open between the main two parties |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jan 31, 2018 20:12:22 GMT
Not seeing it boogie, what's going on?
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jan 31, 2018 20:28:52 GMT
Ah, got you.
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Post by therealriga on Feb 9, 2018 20:22:32 GMT
Roughly a two-for-one ratio, three-for-two if you count the various people murdered by the British security forces, so not as insignificant as you imply. Jan 17, 2018 11:25:44 GMT 2 boogieeck said:
I do denounce Loyalist violence, which claimed a fraction of the lives of Republican violence even although it is of no electoral significance, then or now
The anniversary of the murder of my great-grandmother by the UVF is coming up shortly. A woman in her 70s burned to death in her bed simply for being a catholic, with her 10-year-old grandson murdered in the same attack. That the UVF's political wing was of little electoral significance at the time or later matters not a jot to her surviving family members who have had to deal with the legacy and pain of lost family members, who were civilians caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. Similarly, I strongly doubt that there is any dichotomy in the feelings of family members of people murdered by the PIRA before 1982 (when SF didn't contest elections) and those after 1982, when SF did. To suggest that the perpetrators and fellow travellers contesting elections makes a difference is preposterous and offensive. You're smarter than that and should really think this through. Indeed it's precisely because of those murders and tit-for-tat killings on both sides that the whole place is in such a mess to this day. Young people don't even have the advantage that my grandparents had of growing up in religiously mixed communities and the lack of recent violence, perversely, makes it easier for people to eschew the centre ground and vote for more extreme options as they are no longer linked with violence. A lot of the new voters last year weren't even born when the Good Friday Agreement was signed so the past history of SF and the DUP is irrelevant to them.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Feb 13, 2018 21:25:29 GMT
One wonders what the stats are for mixed marriages these days versus a couple of generations ago.
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Post by Ghyl Tarvoke on Feb 13, 2018 22:33:22 GMT
One wonders what the stats are for mixed marriages these days versus a couple of generations ago. Don't know about now but as it happens I have a tab open right now with academic paper with this very subject a hundred years ago. I haven't read it yet but here is the abstract: pure.qub.ac.uk/portal/files/13821188/queenswp.pdf |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Feb 14, 2018 14:23:39 GMT
To be honest, a non-negligible amount of the mixed marriages were probably my partner's family - in three successive generations, you had a Catholic/Jewish marriage, a Catholic/Protestant marriage and, just to conclusively prove they were trying to wind people up, a marriage in the early 1970s because a Catholic and a Dutch Protestant of Indonesian extraction. The parish priest was particularly unhappy about the last one.
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Post by Ghyl Tarvoke on Feb 14, 2018 22:15:05 GMT
To be honest, a non-negligible amount of the mixed marriages were probably my partner's family - in three successive generations, you had a Catholic/Jewish marriage, a Catholic/Protestant marriage and, just to conclusively prove they were trying to wind people up, a marriage in the early 1970s because a Catholic and a Dutch Protestant of Indonesian extraction. The parish priest was particularly unhappy about the last one. I'm the product of a mixed marriage, both Irish born and married in 1985. Even as late as then, my dad found it a difficult to find an appropriate priest for the Catholic part of the ceremony (that there was a Catholic *part* was sort of the problem) and eventually settled on someone he knew from his NGO days. |
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Post by jimboo2017 on Feb 14, 2018 22:54:21 GMT
I wasn't allowed out to play on Sundays
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Post by neilm on Feb 15, 2018 22:18:48 GMT
To be honest, a non-negligible amount of the mixed marriages were probably my partner's family - in three successive generations, you had a Catholic/Jewish marriage, a Catholic/Protestant marriage and, just to conclusively prove they were trying to wind people up, a marriage in the early 1970s because a Catholic and a Dutch Protestant of Indonesian extraction. The parish priest was particularly unhappy about the last one. I'm the product of a mixed marriage, both Irish born and married in 1985. Even as late as then, my dad found it a difficult to find an appropriate priest for the Catholic part of the ceremony (that there was a Catholic *part* was sort of the problem) and eventually settled on someone he knew from his NGO days. What is the Catholic part of the ceremony? |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Feb 17, 2018 16:09:26 GMT
There is no Catholic part to the ceremony. A Catholic priest is present and may be invited to preach or give the Nuptial blessing, but that is up to the minister. The coup!e are prepared for marriage by the Catholic parish, with a marriage preparation programme that usually involves marriage guidance counsellors. A dispensation from Canonical form is then given.
Actually, the Catholic Priest normally does all the work while the non-Catholic minister gets the ceremony. My nephew got married in his other half's local C of E parish, with the Catholic priest preaching, which was lovely.
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Post by CatholicLeft on Feb 25, 2018 19:29:19 GMT
Órfhlaith Begley selected by Sinn Fein for the byelection.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 9:39:52 GMT
How do you pronounce the first name? I can't say that I've ever come across it. Orla. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 11:17:51 GMT
And there in four letters do we see the Darwinian reason why Irish is a language dying back to hobby usage. Its monoglots outlasted their Welsh and Scottish Gaelic counterparts. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Feb 26, 2018 11:52:35 GMT
oh, so she's female, presumably. I must have come across it even spelt like that. On the subject of unfamiliar Irish names, I nearly got caught out a few years back when I assumed that Enda was a female name. I was corrected in time, thankfully. |
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 26, 2018 12:32:33 GMT
oh, so she's female, presumably. I must have come across it even spelt like that. Orla Guerin. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Feb 26, 2018 13:14:18 GMT
And there in four letters do we see the Darwinian reason why Irish is a language dying back to hobby usage. There are a lot of reasons why Irish is a minority language. The fact that the orthographic system is centuries out of date isn't one of them, because most of the people who've stopped speaking it in the past century never wrote in it much to begin with. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Feb 26, 2018 13:22:41 GMT
And there in four letters do we see the Darwinian reason why Irish is a language dying back to hobby usage. There are a lot of reasons why Irish is a minority language. The fact that the orthographic system is centuries out of date isn't one of them, because most of the people who've stopped speaking it in the past century never wrote in it much to begin with. It's a bit of a barrier for new adopters, though (and the same applies to Scots Gaelic). Welsh has some mutational peculiarities, but is nowhere near as complicated. Manx just says "the hell with it" and uses more-or-less the same conventions as English. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Feb 26, 2018 13:28:02 GMT
There are much bigger barriers than the orthography - the mutations, for a start, and the fact that the ending of one word can affect the beginning of the next. It's undoubtedly a difficult language to learn ex nihilo as an adult, but I don't think that's the reason first-language speakers stopped using it or passing it on to their children. Polish is also a pretty difficult language to pick up (perhaps not as difficult, but certainly not too simple) and that hasn't seem the same issues.
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Post by therealriga on Feb 26, 2018 13:30:05 GMT
And there in four letters do we see the Darwinian reason why Irish is a language dying back to hobby usage. Do you really think English and Chinese are easy languages for non-native speakers to read and write?  |
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