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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 28, 2012 11:33:24 GMT
Rather begs the question .. Raises, prompts, leads to. Not begs. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2012 11:59:29 GMT
Maybe no-one told her she could simply have stood down at the next general election.
That way there was no chance of her getting trounced and she could have avoided the wrath of those who have had this by-election forced upon them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2012 14:05:06 GMT
If you drop a shleb into a seat then don't be suprised if they consider their ego much more important than party loyalty .... or reality .....
This applies to ALL political parties ......
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 28, 2012 19:59:42 GMT
Rather begs the question .. Raises, prompts, leads to. Not begs. Why does it not beg the question? I get the impression this has been discussed before by the pedant brigade on here, but I missed it - so why not? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 28, 2012 20:10:40 GMT
To 'beg the question' is a form of circular argument, in which the premises of an argument contain an assumption which is the same as the conclusion of the argument. As for example:
* It's fairer for parties to have the same proportion of seats as they have support among the electorate.
* First Past the Post produces results in which there is a striking difference between proportion of support and proportion of seats.
* Therefore we should not use First Past the Post but a proportional system.
Point 1 assumes the conclusion that a proportional system is good, and begs the question.
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Post by Andrew_S on Oct 31, 2012 10:41:01 GMT
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Post by AdminSTB on Oct 31, 2012 17:14:44 GMT
BBC political correspondent tweets there are 14 candidates nominated here.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2012 17:39:46 GMT
BBC political correspondent tweets there are 14 candidates nominated here. Like old times - we don't seem to get such big fields of candidates in by-elections very often these days. As it should be. |
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Post by AdminSTB on Oct 31, 2012 17:41:53 GMT
Like old times - we don't seem to get such big fields of candidates in by-elections very often these days. As it should be. Are you saying there should be a lot of candidates, or shouldn't?  |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 31, 2012 17:42:12 GMT
14 is a lot. Too many, in my view. Three is probably too many.
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Post by AdminSTB on Oct 31, 2012 17:43:36 GMT
14 is too many for FPTP. Indeed, as you say, three is too many for FPTP. Having more choice is good for democracy and engagement though, we just need a better electoral system to go with it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2012 17:44:14 GMT
There should be as many candidates as possible. I don't think there should be a limit on the number of candidates.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2012 18:06:02 GMT
David BISHOP (Elvis Loves Pets)
Christine EMMETT (Conservative)
Ian GILLMAN (Independent)
Jill HOPE (Liberal Democrat)
Jonathan HORNETT (Green)
Rohen KAPUR (Young People's Party)
Adam LOTUN (Democracy 2015)
Mr MOZZARELLA (Independent)
Margot PARKER (UKIP)
Peter REYNOLDS (Cannabis Law Reform)
Gordon RIDDELL (British National Party)
Andy SAWFORD (Labour)
Chris SCOTTON (United People's)
David WICKHAM (English Democrats)
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 31, 2012 18:12:57 GMT
Not *that* one, I presume?? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2012 18:16:08 GMT
Not *that* one, I presume?? Hah, no, sorry, my mistake. It's "GILLMAN", someone who I notice was a UKIP candidate in his past |
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Post by andrea on Oct 31, 2012 18:16:14 GMT
Go Mr Mozzarella!
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Post by AdminSTB on Oct 31, 2012 18:18:29 GMT
I'm more interested in who Mr Mozzarella is. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Oct 31, 2012 18:29:54 GMT
Not *that* one, I presume?? Hah, no, sorry, my mistake. It's "GILLMAN", someone who I notice was a UKIP candidate in his past Ian Gillman was the Chairman of the UKIP branch in Corby for over 10 years and was the General Election candidate in 1997, 2001 and 2005. He fell out with the party over alleged financial corruption. He is well meaning but is a complete and utter crushing bore who repeats his accusations about UKIP, which he has never been able to substantiate, over and over again to anybody that will listen to him. |
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Post by comicbookguy on Oct 31, 2012 18:30:27 GMT
I much prefer Mr. Pepperoni.
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Post by johnloony on Oct 31, 2012 19:07:06 GMT
David BISHOP (Elvis Loves Pets) Christine EMMETT (Conservative) Ian GILLMAN (Independent) Jill HOPE (Liberal Democrat) Jonathan HORNETT (Green) Rohen KAPUR (Young People's Party) Adam LOTUN (Democracy 2015) Mr MOZZARELLA (Independent) Margot PARKER (UKIP) Peter REYNOLDS (Cannabis Law Reform) Gordon RIDDELL (British National Party) Andy SAWFORD (Labour) Chris SCOTTON (United People's) David WICKHAM (English Democrats) Oh! Not Toby JUG (OMRLP)? He is one of our most enthusiastic members, so I'm very surprised that he's not standing. |
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