Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on Mar 31, 2012 0:23:34 GMT
I understand that this incinerator is for five councils in South West London that just happens to be in Sutton. Two of the councils involved are Tory run (Croydon and Richmond), two Lib Dem (Kingston and Sutton) and one Labour (Merton) which makes this defection rather more confusing and all the ruling administrations have backed the scheme.
I also understand (please correct me if I'm wrong) that the proposed site is much closer to more residents in Croydon that in Sutton (due to its siting within the ward) so actually, though it is in his ward, Mr. Key's residents would not really be the most affected.
Anyway, it's clear to me from the comments on the link above that with his parroting the Labour line on taxes etc. the incinerator is just a convenient excuse/last straw to go where he wants to go. I just wonder what he thinks of his new party colleagues in Merton...
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Post by marksenior on Mar 31, 2012 7:53:24 GMT
I expect that he will not have the courage to offer himself to the voters under his new colours yaaaawn - hypocrite on auto-troll repeat alert... Nope my view is consistent on this . The hypocrite was the Labour group leader in Redbridge . Of course , that is a defection from Labour so everyone will ignore it . |
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Crimson King
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Post by Crimson King on Apr 1, 2012 7:30:47 GMT
I have just heard that most of the Labour group on Bradford Council have joined Respect, including the otherwise electorally threatened leader Ian Greenwood who will stand under his new colours in May. As it is unlikely that the rump Labour party remaining in parts of Bradford South will be able to organise nominations throughout the city in time they are confident that Respect will take majority control next month. Expect the official announcement before midday
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Post by richardclemerson on Apr 1, 2012 8:17:03 GMT
I have just heard that most of the Labour group on Bradford Council have joined Respect, including the otherwise electorally threatened leader Ian Greenwood who will stand under his new colours in May. As it is unlikely that the rump Labour party remaining in parts of Bradford South will be able to organise nominations throughout the city in time they are confident that Respect will take majority control next month. Expect the official announcement before midday And a happy April Fools Day to you as well. |
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 1, 2012 9:49:26 GMT
Good one, KC - especially since it is the sort of thing you might just believe for a millisecond, given Bradford's politics :-P
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Crimson King
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Post by Crimson King on Apr 1, 2012 14:55:38 GMT
Yes, as I pressed send it did strike me that there was a serious question to ask about possible defections. I wouldn't expect anything this side of the locals although I could imagine some of the councillors (Lab and Con) up this May in some wards seeing the light and realising that they were proper socialists all along. However it would probably not serve respect's "sweeping away the old failures" appeal to accept converts in those circumstances
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Harry Hayfield
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Apr 2, 2012 22:29:57 GMT
A question on party defections at election time.
In 2008, a couple of people who were elected as Independents in 2004 were duly nominated at the close of nominations as Plaid Cymru (all of which was above board and proper I am sure). Does that count as a defection or not?
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Post by MeirionGwril on Apr 3, 2012 0:21:58 GMT
How about the entire parliamentary Liberal Democrat group, who stood as Lib Dems but are all now Liberal Nationals ...  |
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Pimpernal
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Post by Pimpernal on Apr 3, 2012 11:07:03 GMT
A question on party defections at election time. In 2008, a couple of people who were elected as Independents in 2004 were duly nominated at the close of nominations as Plaid Cymru (all of which was above board and proper I am sure). Does that count as a defection or not? strictly speaking, I'd say yes - bearing in mind Trident's comment regardless... |
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Post by timrollpickering on Apr 3, 2012 11:28:22 GMT
It probably depends on whether the party technically organised in the council areas. There are a number of parish & town councils, and even some districts, where some or all of the parties have never really gone in for local government and it's been left to individuals to do their own thing.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 3, 2012 13:23:12 GMT
There's no official definition of what constitutes a defection but I tend to look at it in a straightforward way of being any case where someone shifts their political allegiances and finds alternative allies. Allying with a political group when one has previously proclaimed oneself independent constitutes such a shift.
The latest Indigo Public Affairs blog entry includes one case where a councillor elected as an Independent, and forming part of the Independent group on a council, has been expelled from the group and is now a non-aligned Independent. That's a (forced) defection.
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Post by meurig on Apr 3, 2012 17:23:39 GMT
A question on party defections at election time. In 2008, a couple of people who were elected as Independents in 2004 were duly nominated at the close of nominations as Plaid Cymru (all of which was above board and proper I am sure). Does that count as a defection or not? Knowing rural Wales, that may not necessarily be a defection - they could have been card-carrying members all along? Not in that case, no. One of them had been a Plaid member earlier in his life, but both the councillors in question broke with the Independent group over changes to Meals on Wheels policy about 2 months before the 08 elections. They joined Plaid and were approved as candidates in the usual way. Sure, we kept quiet about it until close of nominations, but they were bona fide defections. |
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Post by slicesofjim on Apr 7, 2012 11:48:05 GMT
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 7, 2012 12:04:22 GMT
Not really a defection as he is supporting them while remaining an Independent councillor.
But I liked the description of his being "unceremoniously expelled". Why on earth do TUSC want the council (or it may be the Labour Party) to create a ceremony to mark the formal exclusion from membership of a member who has supported a policy which would in all probability be illegal?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2012 12:29:55 GMT
'mindless McJob' is a bit offensive, too. How dare young people find work in their high streets!
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Pimpernal
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Post by Pimpernal on Apr 7, 2012 15:00:54 GMT
Not really a defection as he is supporting them while remaining an Independent councillor. But I liked the description of his being "unceremoniously expelled". Why on earth do TUSC want the council (or it may be the Labour Party) to create a ceremony to mark the formal exclusion from membership of a member who has supported a policy which would in all probability be illegal? perhaps he means that he had no opportunity to appeal or present a case against expulsion? I've found it seems quite hard to get expelled myself - 2 1/2 years after leaving, last week I got another reminder that my membership was about to lapse and an exhortation to hurry hurry to renew...  |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 8, 2012 13:46:42 GMT
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 8, 2012 14:12:02 GMT
Ah, this sort of thing was always a possible hazard of so many "unexpected" SNP wins last year.......
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Post by kvasir on Apr 8, 2012 14:16:37 GMT
Doesn't sound like a massive loss to the SNP to me. Indeed if some of my SNP voting friends who term them "the only progressive choice for Scotland" heard the Homosexuals=nazis stuff they'd be shocked to say the least.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2012 21:31:53 GMT
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