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Post by Adam in Stroud on Nov 30, 2017 23:24:17 GMT
I mean FFS why can't they be winning in places like Sheffield Hallam in the GE rather than here?!? TBH I think we'd snatch your hands off for that if anyone is willing to offer it as a swap. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 23:26:58 GMT
If thats true then I apologise for doubting it
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Post by liverpoolliberal on Nov 30, 2017 23:28:58 GMT
Bridgemary, Gosport. Lib Dem 644, Lab 255, Con 213. Lib Dem GAIN from Labour. Turnout 32%.
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Post by maxque on Nov 30, 2017 23:29:08 GMT
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Post by Merseymike on Nov 30, 2017 23:29:40 GMT
I mean FFS why can't they be winning in places like Sheffield Hallam in the GE rather than here?!? Because general elections matter and while I don't necessarily welcome this, councils have very few powers and change of party only alters things at the margins. At general elections people elect governments and vote on national issues, not on getting the cracks in the pavements sorted. Taking the politics out of politics can work at local level, but ultimately it hardly affects national politics and who forms the government at all. |
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Post by maxque on Nov 30, 2017 23:30:50 GMT
Bridgemary, Gosport. Lib Dem 644, Lab 255, Con 213. Lib Dem GAIN from Labour. Turnout 32%. LD 57.9% Lab 22.9% (-49.1) Con 19.2% (-8.8) |
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Post by liverpoolliberal on Nov 30, 2017 23:31:05 GMT
I mean FFS why can't they be winning in places like Sheffield Hallam in the GE rather than here?!? Because general elections matter and while I don't necessarily welcome this, councils have very few powers and change of party only alters things at the margins. At general elections people elect governments and vote on national issues, not on getting the cracks in the pavements sorted. Taking the politics out of politics can work at local level, but ultimately it hardly affects national politics and who forms the government at all. I mean I think even taking into consideration national politics and all that we should really have won in Sheffield Hallam... |
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Post by andrew111 on Nov 30, 2017 23:34:38 GMT
Bridgemary, Gosport. Lib Dem 644, Lab 255, Con 213. Lib Dem GAIN from Labour. Turnout 32%. LD 57.9% Lab 22.9% (-49.1) Con 19.2% (-8.8) Is a swing of over 50% a record?? |
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Post by Merseymike on Nov 30, 2017 23:36:02 GMT
Because general elections matter and while I don't necessarily welcome this, councils have very few powers and change of party only alters things at the margins. At general elections people elect governments and vote on national issues, not on getting the cracks in the pavements sorted. Taking the politics out of politics can work at local level, but ultimately it hardly affects national politics and who forms the government at all. I mean I think even taking into consideration national politics and all that we should really have won in Sheffield Hallam... The rise in the Tory vote appeared to make the difference. |
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Post by maxque on Nov 30, 2017 23:36:06 GMT
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Post by liverpoolliberal on Nov 30, 2017 23:38:22 GMT
I mean I think even taking into consideration national politics and all that we should really have won in Sheffield Hallam... The rise in the Tory vote appeared to make the difference. Yes. And the point still stands, we really should have won in Sheffield Hallam |
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Post by Khunanup on Nov 30, 2017 23:39:06 GMT
I mean FFS why can't they be winning in places like Sheffield Hallam in the GE rather than here?!? Because general elections matter and while I don't necessarily welcome this, councils have very few powers and change of party only alters things at the margins. At general elections people elect governments and vote on national issues, not on getting the cracks in the pavements sorted. Taking the politics out of politics can work at local level, but ultimately it hardly affects national politics and who forms the government at all. I'm afraid this says more about you than about local politics Mike. You have an utterly cynical view of politics and your dismissal of local politics is dismal though utterly typical of the wide eyed idealism of the hard left. Politics is about the micro as well as the macro, if you lose the former the latter is nothing but a sham. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 23:43:33 GMT
Oi as a member of this 'hard left' I pride myself in my activity in local politics. I haven't missed a local election in the last decade almost. I also stood for council when I turned 18. The lib dems even nicked a few of my ideas. I've lobbied council on various matters and orgaised my own local campaigns. So give over with your generalisations
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Post by maxque on Nov 30, 2017 23:44:28 GMT
Because general elections matter and while I don't necessarily welcome this, councils have very few powers and change of party only alters things at the margins. At general elections people elect governments and vote on national issues, not on getting the cracks in the pavements sorted. Taking the politics out of politics can work at local level, but ultimately it hardly affects national politics and who forms the government at all. I'm afraid this says more about you than about local politics Mike. You have an utterly cynical view of politics and your dismissal of local politics is dismal though utterly typical of the wide eyed idealism of the hard left. Politics is about the micro as well as the macro, if you lose the former the latter is nothing but a sham. The issue with local politics is than Westminster can plug the plug and abolish it all tomorrow if it wants. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Nov 30, 2017 23:46:46 GMT
Some brave predictions there All look spot on to me. On the money so far. |
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Post by Merseymike on Nov 30, 2017 23:47:22 GMT
Because general elections matter and while I don't necessarily welcome this, councils have very few powers and change of party only alters things at the margins. At general elections people elect governments and vote on national issues, not on getting the cracks in the pavements sorted. Taking the politics out of politics can work at local level, but ultimately it hardly affects national politics and who forms the government at all. I'm afraid this says more about you than about local politics Mike. You have an utterly cynical view of politics and your dismissal of local politics is dismal though utterly typical of the wide eyed idealism of the hard left. Politics is about the micro as well as the macro, if you lose the former the latter is nothing but a sham. I think the sham is the stuff you peddle, frankly. I tend to think there are far too many councillors anyway, and the cabinet system has essentially given them nothing to do other than this sort of stuff, which certainly doesn't require elected people and the bureaucracy which surrounds them. The way the LibDem vote regularly disappears, moving to just about every other party, displays that its nothing but localist populism, which has done no good for politics at all. Keep the non-political out of elected politics, keep councillors as policy makers, and look for ways of enabling local residents to deal with some of these practical matters, but bringing it into the party political arena does very little to empower communities and has just created another layer of amateur know-alls who take credit for just about everything. |
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Post by Khunanup on Nov 30, 2017 23:47:27 GMT
Oi as a member of this 'hard left' I pride myself in my activity in local politics. I haven't missed a local election in the last decade almost. I also stood for council when I turned 18. The lib dems even nicked a few of my ideas. I've lobbied council on various matters and orgaised my own local campaigns. So give over with your generalisations You can be atypical of whatever stream of politics you come under. Anyone who takes local politics seriously deserves respect, I only wish it was universal... |
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Post by andrew111 on Nov 30, 2017 23:48:12 GMT
Because general elections matter and while I don't necessarily welcome this, councils have very few powers and change of party only alters things at the margins. At general elections people elect governments and vote on national issues, not on getting the cracks in the pavements sorted. Taking the politics out of politics can work at local level, but ultimately it hardly affects national politics and who forms the government at all. I mean I think even taking into consideration national politics and all that we should really have won in Sheffield Hallam... I think you have to take into account regional swing. Lib Dems were down everywhere in Yorkshire.. And Mulholland kept the Tory tactical vote and still lost. It is worth pointing out that who won in Sheffield Hallam also did not affect who formed the government, and was extremely unlikely to.. |
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Post by Khunanup on Nov 30, 2017 23:48:22 GMT
I'm afraid this says more about you than about local politics Mike. You have an utterly cynical view of politics and your dismissal of local politics is dismal though utterly typical of the wide eyed idealism of the hard left. Politics is about the micro as well as the macro, if you lose the former the latter is nothing but a sham. The issue with local politics is than Westminster can plug the plug and abolish it all tomorrow if it wants. Well of course, unwritten constitution and a centralised state and all that... |
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