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Post by neilm on Dec 22, 2017 11:00:43 GMT
Separatists won the majority of Seats but with only 48% of vote love it A bit like last time then. |
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Post by neilm on Dec 22, 2017 11:04:13 GMT
I haven't had chance to read or watch the results/analysis (it is an extremely busy time of year in restaurant manager land) but on the face of it this is a severe blow to Madrid. Also it doesn't weaken Rajoy a lot but it does weaken his deputy who has been the satrap in Catalonia since the parliament was dissolved, I don't know if this has been commented on.
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Post by mboy on Dec 22, 2017 11:44:53 GMT
This is being well spun as a victory for the separatists, but it really isn't. They are down in both voter share and seats - albeit marginally - and the push for UDI is utterly dead. The unionist block is now strongly united behind the sensible Citizens party. Given that last month, many on here were saying that Rajoy's very poor handling of the situation would lead to a sympathy vote for separatism, the result here must be considered a shock by those people. The result is more or less "as you were" but objectively, compared to 6 months ago, the unionists are stronger and the separatists weaker.
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Post by maxque on Dec 22, 2017 11:49:44 GMT
This is being well spun as a victory for the separatists, but it really isn't. They are down in both voter share and seats - albeit marginally - and the push for UDI is utterly dead. The unionist block is now strongly united behind the sensible Citizens party. Given that last month, many on here were saying that Rajoy's very poor handling of the situation would lead to a sympathy vote for separatism, the result here must be considered a shock by those people. The result is more or less "as you were" but objectively, compared to 6 months ago, the unionists are stronger and the separatists weaker. It's a Spanish nationalist party who fooled around Libertas. Is UKIP sensible? |
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Post by mboy on Dec 22, 2017 11:52:42 GMT
We've been through this before, troll.
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Post by maxque on Dec 22, 2017 12:01:46 GMT
We've been through this before, troll. And yet, you continue to see them through rose tinted glasses because they are self-proclamed liberals, virtue signaler. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2017 12:46:29 GMT
This is being well spun as a victory for the separatists, but it really isn't. They are down in both voter share and seats - albeit marginally - and the push for UDI is utterly dead. The unionist block is now strongly united behind the sensible Citizens party. Given that last month, many on here were saying that Rajoy's very poor handling of the situation would lead to a sympathy vote for separatism, the result here must be considered a shock by those people. The result is more or less "as you were" but objectively, compared to 6 months ago, the unionists are stronger and the separatists weaker. It probably did - the separatist parties increased their vote markedly, but it also got more people to vote in unionist areas. Turnout was up seven points. If you break it down ethnically the separatists likely gained among Catalans, so the main result is increased polarization. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2017 14:34:03 GMT
Eight of the newly elected representatives are either in jail or will be jailed if they return to Spain.
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Post by mboy on Dec 22, 2017 15:29:11 GMT
^ That might well make a unionist minority government a possibility.
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Post by Merseymike on Dec 22, 2017 15:29:32 GMT
We've been through this before, troll. Only he is right and you, as ever, wrong. I guess it's your sort of Liberal party though- being largely nationalistic, right of centre and conservative. |
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Post by Merseymike on Dec 22, 2017 15:33:17 GMT
We've been through this before, troll. Only he is right and you, as ever, wrong. I guess it's your sort of Liberal party though- being largely nationalistic, right of centre and conservative. |
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Post by mboy on Dec 22, 2017 15:34:05 GMT
We've been through this before, troll. And yet, you continue to see them through rose tinted glasses because they are self-proclamed liberals, virtue signaler. A fairly ironic comment from someone who was recently arguing that a mere self-proclamation is enough to turn a man into a woman! Yet you don't think that a group of people who identify as liberal and act liberal should be called a liberal, just because they made an idiotic association in the previous-but-one Euro-elections 7 years ago? Lol. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Dec 22, 2017 16:14:45 GMT
Other than their militant opposition to Catalan Nationalism (which is the main reason people vote for them) Ciudadanos are staggeringly incoherent ideologically. This shows up well in their voter profile - this time round much of the remaining PP vote collapsed to their benefit, but guess where a huge slice of the old Socialist vote was already parked? Ethnicity has always been a factor in Catalan elections, but the whole of political life now revolves around them.
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Post by neilm on Dec 22, 2017 17:19:35 GMT
I wish the BBC would stop referring to the PP as the Popular Party. Partido Popular means People's Party.
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Post by greenhert on Dec 22, 2017 18:54:54 GMT
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Post by mrpastelito on Dec 22, 2017 19:35:37 GMT
^ That might well make a unionist minority government a possibility. No, they'd be replaced by other list candidates. In the long run Rajoy, and the PP, will come to regret their actions. The PP is finished in Catalonia, and Rajoy's decision to call a snap election in Catalonia has enabled C's to position themselves - nationwide - as serious challengers to the PP's hegemony on the (centre-)right. |
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Post by mrpastelito on Dec 22, 2017 21:38:16 GMT
With participation at an all-time high, Rajoy's 'silent majority' is either very silent, or very small.
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Post by maxque on Dec 22, 2017 22:06:46 GMT
And yet, you continue to see them through rose tinted glasses because they are self-proclamed liberals, virtue signaler. A fairly ironic comment from someone who was recently arguing that a mere self-proclamation is enough to turn a man into a woman! Yet you don't think that a group of people who identify as liberal and act liberal should be called a liberal, just because they made an idiotic association in the previous-but-one Euro-elections 7 years ago? Lol. They don't act liberal at all, as their goal to destroy Catalan culture to replace it with imported Spanish culture. And I would argue than it just make the truth about more obvious. You are not consistently liberal, but you seem consistently bigoted. |
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Post by mboy on Dec 22, 2017 22:28:44 GMT
Lol. The C's goal is to "destroy Catalan culture "? At least we all know not to take you seriously any more.
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Post by ccoleman on Dec 22, 2017 22:30:05 GMT
A shame to see the pro-independence parties retain their majority, but I suppose a continuation of this self-induced crisis is what the Catalan people really want.
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