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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 17:10:12 GMT
Which constituencies have the worst names in your view?
Personally I find Sefton Central pretty egregious given the seat was called Crosby for 60 years!
Also the fact that cities like Birmingham and Manchester retain traditional constituency names while Edinburgh and Glasgow do not.
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Post by jigger on Oct 25, 2017 17:16:08 GMT
Which constituencies have the worst names in your view? Personally I find Sefton Central pretty egregious given the seat was called Crosby for 60 years! Also the fact that cities like Birmingham and Manchester retain traditional constituency names while Edinburgh and Glasgow do not. But a substantial proportion (and maybe a majority) of the present Sefton Central was in Ormskirk before 1974. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 25, 2017 17:18:27 GMT
I agree with you on all of those. I particularly dislike the tendency to unnecessarily lengthy names such as Basildon South and Thurrock East when a similar seat was called plain Basildon previously. There are numerous awful examples of this in Scotland of course which I can't be bothered to type out but of which one beginning Cumbernauld is a particularly bad example and the various lon-winded ways of saying Inverness.
Apart from that Gravesham is a very annoying name for Gravesend and other seats which are dominated by a town which for decades had given its name to the seat but are now replaced by some silly name that most people would not be able to identify on a map (eg Waveney instead of Lowestoft, Wyre Forest instead of Kidderminster)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 17:22:26 GMT
Which constituencies have the worst names in your view? Personally I find Sefton Central pretty egregious given the seat was called Crosby for 60 years! Also the fact that cities like Birmingham and Manchester retain traditional constituency names while Edinburgh and Glasgow do not. But a substantial proportion (and maybe a majority) of the present Sefton Central was in Ormskirk before 1974. A seat based around the majority of Crosby has been named after that town since 1950. Formby came in from Ormskirk in 1974, but most of Crosby proper was already in Crosby constituency. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 17:23:44 GMT
I agree with you on all of those. I particularly dislike the tendency to unnecessarily lengthy names such as Basildon South and Thurrock East when a similar seat was called plain Basildon previously. There are numerous awful examples of this in Scotland of course which I can't be bothered to type out but of which one beginning Cumbernauld is a particularly bad example and the various lon-winded ways of saying Inverness. Apart from that Gravesham is a very annoying name for Gravesend and other seats which are dominated by a town which for decades had given its name to the seat but are now replaced by some silly name that most people would not be able to identify on a map (eg Waveney instead of Lowestoft, Wyre Forest instead of Kidderminster) Yes. A hangover from the 1983 distribution when many constituencies were named after local government districts. E.g. East Renfrewshire became Eastwood, Aberdeenshire West became Kincardine & Deeside, etc etc, Thankfully many of these have reverted to their traditional names now. |
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Post by jigger on Oct 25, 2017 17:24:37 GMT
Which constituencies have the worst names in your view? Personally I find Sefton Central pretty egregious given the seat was called Crosby for 60 years! I agree completely that Sefton Central is a dreadful name. Regrettably, my former MP (of blessed and glorious memory) bears an awful lot of responsibility for the Boundary Commission giving the seat that name, for it was he who guided the Bill that would become the Local Government Act 1972 through the House of Commons. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 25, 2017 17:29:01 GMT
I agree with you on all of those. I particularly dislike the tendency to unnecessarily lengthy names such as Basildon South and Thurrock East when a similar seat was called plain Basildon previously. There are numerous awful examples of this in Scotland of course which I can't be bothered to type out but of which one beginning Cumbernauld is a particularly bad example and the various lon-winded ways of saying Inverness. Apart from that Gravesham is a very annoying name for Gravesend and other seats which are dominated by a town which for decades had given its name to the seat but are now replaced by some silly name that most people would not be able to identify on a map (eg Waveney instead of Lowestoft, Wyre Forest instead of Kidderminster) Yes. A hangover from the 1983 distribution when many constituencies were named after local government districts. E.g. East Renfrewshire became Eastwood, Aberdeenshire West became Kincardine & Deeside, etc etc, Thankfully many of these have reverted to their traditional names now. Hertsmere is a pretty crap name of course another one East Yorkshire |
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Post by swanarcadian on Oct 25, 2017 17:41:22 GMT
I too would prefer East Yorkshire (my former constituency) to be renamed as Bridlington. I would even bring back John Townend for the fun of it. The only thing is, the constituency covers a fairly substantial rural area: miles and miles of flat countryside and numerous villages that extend right over to the western border of the East Riding of Yorkshire, some 30 or 40 miles or so away from the town of Bridlington itself.
Perhaps Buckrose should be revived?
EDIT: I see Buckrose has already been mentioned on another thread today.
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Oct 25, 2017 17:56:56 GMT
Have to say that I'm not keen on a lot of "<Compass Point> <County>" constituency names, and I think they should only be used if there're no other suitable names that can be found.
For example, here are a few constituencies that I think could do with a re-naming (including possible alternate names):
West Dorset -> Dorchester
South Dorset -> Weymouth & Swanage
South West Wiltshire -> Trowbridge & Warminster
North West Hampshire -> Andover
New Forest East -> Totton
East Hampshire -> Alton & Petersfield
Torridge & West Devon -> Tavistock
Plus quite a few more, too many to list...
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Post by John Chanin on Oct 25, 2017 18:00:41 GMT
I know I'm in a minority here, but there should be far more constituencies named after local authority districts. The 1983 review had the right idea, and I deplore the Small Town & Little Piddling names we are increasingly getting instead. The names would be shorter too.
Sittingbourne & Sheppey should simply be called Swale. Folkestone & Hythe should be Shepway. Clacton & Harwich should be Tendring. And so on. There's this ridiculous idea that has gained ground that if there's an orphan ward hived off somewhere you can't name a seat after the local district.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 25, 2017 18:08:43 GMT
I know I'm in a minority here, but there should be far more constituencies named after local authority districts. The 1983 review had the right idea, and I deplore the Small Town & Little Piddling names we are increasingly getting instead. The names would be shorter too. Sittingbourne & Sheppey should simply be called Swale. Folkestone & Hythe should be Shepway. Clacton & Harwich should be Tendring. And so on. There's this ridiculous idea that has gained ground that if there's an orphan ward hived off somewhere you can't name a seat after the local district. I agree entirely with your last sentence but strongly reject your suggestions about Shepway and Tendring (as you would expect given my earlier statements about Wyre Forest etc but even more so as Tendring is itself literally Little Piddling) |
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Post by John Chanin on Oct 25, 2017 18:53:53 GMT
I think my least favourite English name is Sleaford & North Hykeham, although as pointed out by others East Yorkshire runs it close.
North Kesteven for heaven's sake.
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Oct 25, 2017 18:55:28 GMT
Which constituencies have the worst names in your view? Alyn and Deeside and Delyn. Should be East and West Flintshire. Delyn isn't even a word. I think "Buckley & Hawarden" and "Flint" would be better names than any "<Compass Point> <County>" names. |
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Post by cherrycoffin on Oct 25, 2017 19:08:19 GMT
Have to say that I'm not keen on a lot of "<Compass Point> <County>" constituency names, and I think they should only be used if there're no other suitable names that can be found. For example, here are a few constituencies that I think could do with a re-naming (including possible alternate names): West Dorset -> DorchesterSouth Dorset -> Weymouth & SwanageSouth West Wiltshire -> Trowbridge & WarminsterNorth West Hampshire -> AndoverNew Forest East -> TottonEast Hampshire -> Alton & PetersfieldTorridge & West Devon -> TavistockPlus quite a few more, too many to list... Those seats cover much more than those towns though. Dorchester is only half (maybe less than?) of West Dorset, Totton is even less than half. I think that for rural, relatively large seats having the county name with a compass point is a good way of identifying it for those who don't live there (and those who do but wouldn't immediately associate their village with a that particular town) and prevents villages and towns competing in a downward spiral of parochialism to see their settlement named in a constituency. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Oct 25, 2017 19:28:46 GMT
Which constituencies have the worst names in your view? Alyn and Deeside and Delyn. Should be East and West Flintshire. Delyn isn't even a word. Worse, it's a portmanteau of Deeside and Alyn. |
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Oct 25, 2017 19:42:42 GMT
I think "Buckley & Hawarden" and "Flint" would be better names than any "<Compass Point> <County>" names. If we're doing towns, East should be Mold and West should be Holywell. But both are polycentric enough that the compass-point system was what was used before the neologisms. Whilst Mold may be larger and the Admin HQ of Flintshire, personally I feel that "Flint" has a bit more behind (similar reasoning behind "Buckley & Hawarden") it that "Mold", though "Flint & Mold" would be a reasonable compromise. My objection to the "<Compass Point> <County>" constituency names is that they strike me as just utterly bland. |
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Post by Khunanup on Oct 25, 2017 19:45:08 GMT
Have to say that I'm not keen on a lot of "<Compass Point> <County>" constituency names, and I think they should only be used if there're no other suitable names that can be found. For example, here are a few constituencies that I think could do with a re-naming (including possible alternate names): West Dorset -> DorchesterSouth Dorset -> Weymouth & SwanageSouth West Wiltshire -> Trowbridge & WarminsterNorth West Hampshire -> AndoverNew Forest East -> TottonEast Hampshire -> Alton & PetersfieldTorridge & West Devon -> TavistockPlus quite a few more, too many to list... Those seats cover much more than those towns though. Dorchester is only half (maybe less than?) of West Dorset, Totton is even less than half. I think that for rural, relatively large seats having the county name with a compass point is a good way of identifying it for those who don't live there (and those who do but wouldn't immediately associate their village with a that particular town) and prevents villages and towns competing in a downward spiral of parochialism to see their settlement named in a constituency. Yeah, Totton is a pure pitchfork name for that seat... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 19:45:21 GMT
This is a cul-de-sac we've driven down before, I've got nothing further to add to the mountainous content on constituency naming already provided.
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Post by jamie on Oct 25, 2017 21:45:16 GMT
Easington. A minor town in a constituency with a clear major town (Peterlee) while Easington Lane is in Houghton and Sunderland South. Special mention to St Ives, which should really be called Penzance but surivives because the constituency can never substantially change.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 22:11:50 GMT
Easington. A minor town in a constituency with a clear major town (Peterlee) while Easington Lane is in Houghton and Sunderland South. Special mention to St Ives, which should really be called Penzance but surivives because the constituency can never substantially change. St. Ives isn't much smaller, especially when you consider Carbis Bay, which is essentially a suburb of St. Ives. Further many people live in the St. Ives Bay, Lelant, Hoyle etc.And Penzance is at the far end of the seat. Especially given the age of the seat name I'd keep St. Ives. Ps Seaham is as big as Peterlee. |
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