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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 27, 2017 14:09:22 GMT
North West Hampshire is just a dreadful name. So many better alternatives possible.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Oct 27, 2017 14:41:29 GMT
North West Hampshire is just a dreadful name. So many better alternatives possible. Calleva Atrebatum is sadly just over the border in North East Hampshire. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Oct 27, 2017 14:41:55 GMT
I still need Louth & Horncastle. And Eileen-and-her-wotsits in Scotland. Are you sure? Need is probably a strong word for it. |
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Post by islington on Oct 27, 2017 14:44:27 GMT
Staying in Hants, I'm always irritated by 'New Forest East' and 'New Forest West'.
I always thought the compass-point was supposed to come first in county constituencies. So why aren't they 'East New Forest' and 'West New Forest'?
Admittedly it might be better still to call the 'West' seat Lymington and 'East' Beaulieu (I suggest the latter for the entertainment value of seeing how people pronounce it).
But that's not my point. I want to know why the compass-points aren't at the front where they belong.
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Post by minionofmidas on Oct 27, 2017 17:10:00 GMT
Also ‘Hove & Portslade’ has been used by Peter Kyle. In that particular case, of course, it's a perfect and complete list of all the seat's components so it probably should have been called that all along. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 27, 2017 17:15:28 GMT
Clwyd South contains neither the river nor the hills. And is a seat in which there are so many perfectly acceptable alternatives; some variation on Dee Valley would be quite fine, for instance.
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Post by minionofmidas on Oct 27, 2017 17:19:06 GMT
I know I'm in a minority here, but there should be far more constituencies named after local authority districts. The 1983 review had the right idea, and I deplore the Small Town & Little Piddling names we are increasingly getting instead. The names would be shorter too. Sittingbourne & Sheppey should simply be called Swale. Folkestone & Hythe should be Shepway. Clacton & Harwich should be Tendring. And so on. There's this ridiculous idea that has gained ground that if there's an orphan ward hived off somewhere you can't name a seat after the local district. No. Totally disagree. Never use these new damn fool names. Those constituencies should be named Sittingbourne Folkestone Harwich Harwich is right, but before they went with the new damn fool name of "Folkestone & Hythe" in 1950 a similar but smaller seat was simply "Hythe" (I suppose Folkestone was larger even in 1885.) And the traditional name for a seat encompassing Sittingbourne and all of Sheppey along with some adjoining areas variously defined, from 1885 through to 1997, was "Faversham". So what if that town has been removed from it? Did that stop the Northern Irish in the case of Strangford?  |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Oct 27, 2017 17:22:11 GMT
Staying in Hants, I'm always irritated by 'New Forest East' and 'New Forest West'. I always thought the compass-point was supposed to come first in county constituencies. So why aren't they 'East New Forest' and 'West New Forest'? Admittedly it might be better still to call the 'West' seat Lymington and 'East' Beaulieu (I suggest the latter for the entertainment value of seeing how people pronounce it). But that's not my point. I want to know why the compass-points aren't at the front where they belong. Because renaming "Clydebank and Milngavie" (Holyrood constituency) as "West Dunbartonshire East and East Dunbartonshire West" would be sensible, but "East West Dunbartonshire and West East Dunbartonshire" would be silly. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Oct 27, 2017 17:36:18 GMT
What's wrong with "Mid Dunbartonshire"?
More seriously, if you absolutely want that distinction, treat the modern district names like towns. Reserve (compass point) (county) to traditional counties only. New Forest East is as it should be, it's North Swindon that's counterintuitive and egregious.
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Post by islington on Oct 27, 2017 18:37:38 GMT
Staying in Hants, I'm always irritated by 'New Forest East' and 'New Forest West'. I always thought the compass-point was supposed to come first in county constituencies. So why aren't they 'East New Forest' and 'West New Forest'? Admittedly it might be better still to call the 'West' seat Lymington and 'East' Beaulieu (I suggest the latter for the entertainment value of seeing how people pronounce it). But that's not my point. I want to know why the compass-points aren't at the front where they belong. Because renaming "Clydebank and Milngavie" (Holyrood constituency) as "West Dunbartonshire East and East Dunbartonshire West" would be sensible, but "East West Dunbartonshire and West East Dunbartonshire" would be silly. This reminds me that from 1868-1885 there actually was a constituency called the 'Eastern Division of the West Riding of Yorkshire', which actually does translate (more or less) as 'East West Yorkshire'. I believe that when it was proposed some sensible soul did actually suggest that 'Mid Yorkshire' would be a better name. But in vain. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 27, 2017 19:36:26 GMT
Clwyd South contains neither the river nor the hills. And is a seat in which there are so many perfectly acceptable alternatives; some variation on Dee Valley would be quite fine, for instance. Glyndyfrdwy, just for the lulz of the English attempts to pronounce it? If you called it that we would pronounce it as 'Clwyd South' |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 27, 2017 20:07:12 GMT
North West Hampshire is just a dreadful name. So many better alternatives possible. Calleva Atrebatum is sadly just over the border in North East Hampshire. Basingstokum Magna. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Oct 27, 2017 20:10:35 GMT
This reminds me that from 1868-1885 there actually was a constituency called the 'Eastern Division of the West Riding of Yorkshire', which actually does translate (more or less) as 'East West Yorkshire'. I believe that when it was proposed some sensible soul did actually suggest that 'Mid Yorkshire' would be a better name. But in vain. We still cope with West Bromwich East. And don't forget East Kilbride Central South and East Kilbride Central North, which are genuine ward names. |
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Post by therealriga on Oct 27, 2017 20:12:11 GMT
As people have said here already, Strangford is named after the lough, not the village, which it never contained. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 21:25:17 GMT
Also ‘Hove & Portslade’ has been used by Peter Kyle. In that particular case, of course, it's a perfect and complete list of all the seat's components so it probably should have been called that all along. I for one do not wish to see the Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch & Strathspey-isation of every seat. |
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Post by greenhert on Oct 27, 2017 22:14:40 GMT
What's wrong with "Mid Dunbartonshire"? More seriously, if you absolutely want that distinction, treat the modern district names like towns. Reserve (compass point) (county) to traditional counties only. New Forest East is as it should be, it's North Swindon that's counterintuitive and egregious. Nothing. In fact a constituency called Central Dunbartonshire existed from 1974 to 1983. Central and Mid are synonymous in constituency terms except for the fact that "Central" is applied almost exclusively to urban constituencies and "Mid" is only applied to rural county constituencies when it comes to naming. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 27, 2017 22:34:22 GMT
In that particular case, of course, it's a perfect and complete list of all the seat's components so it probably should have been called that all along. I for one do not wish to see the Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch & Strathspey-isation of every seat. Don't you mean the Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East-isation? |
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Post by Robert Waller on Oct 27, 2017 22:56:10 GMT
I still need Louth & Horncastle. And Eileen-and-her-wotsits in Scotland. I'm impressed, Arthur. No doubt you have been to every seat in Northern Ireland too, given your background. I wonder if anyone (here or elsewhere) has actually been to every single seat in the UK. I should say that if you do visit Louth, you'll enjoy it - it's a very attractive little hilltop town. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Oct 28, 2017 4:20:18 GMT
I still need Louth & Horncastle. And Eileen-and-her-wotsits in Scotland. I'm impressed, Arthur. No doubt you have been to every seat in Northern Ireland too, given your background. I wonder if anyone (here or elsewhere) has actually been to every single seat in the UK. I should say that if you do visit Louth, you'll enjoy it - it's a very attractive little hilltop town. Every seat in NI, and missing two in Wales. I’ll get the two Welsh ones in in a few weeks- they are also the only two that have a railway line in them. |
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Post by greenchristian on Oct 28, 2017 5:41:17 GMT
I'm impressed, Arthur. No doubt you have been to every seat in Northern Ireland too, given your background. I wonder if anyone (here or elsewhere) has actually been to every single seat in the UK. I should say that if you do visit Louth, you'll enjoy it - it's a very attractive little hilltop town. Every seat in NI, and missing two in Wales. I’ll get the two Welsh ones in in a few weeks- they are also the only two that have a railway line in them. Are you sure there are only two Welsh constituencies which contain a railway line? |
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