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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 14:16:26 GMT
A seat based around the majority of Crosby has been named after that town since 1950. Formby came in from Ormskirk in 1974, but most of Crosby proper was already in Crosby constituency. Maghull also came in from Ormskirk in 1974. Out of interest, have you ever been to Crosby, @conservativeestimate ? I never said it didn't. My point was that the majority of Crosby proper has been in a seat with that name from 1950 to 2010. If we needed to have visited seats before we could comment on them, this'd be a very dull forum. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 14:21:04 GMT
Given the way Crosby is going demographically, I'm not sure I'd want to visit it.
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Oct 26, 2017 15:48:17 GMT
I think "Buckley & Hawarden" and "Flint" would be better names than any "<Compass Point> <County>" names. "Buckley & Hawarden" doesn't sound nearly Welsh enough for the Welsh Boundary Commission I would imagine. Probably doesn't matter that much, that part of North Wales is practically an extension of England anyway.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 15:55:07 GMT
Buckley & Hawarden sounds like a law firm, not a constituency
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Post by YL on Oct 26, 2017 18:25:26 GMT
Given the way Crosby is going demographically, I'm not sure I'd want to visit it. What are you on about? Anyway, I've expressed my views on this before. I don't like obscure names (whether local authority names or not) or inaccurate compass points. I'm not as bothered by long names as some people on here are but think that names usually start to feel cumbersome if they have four content words (where by "content words" I'm excluding "the", "and", "of" and their Welsh and Gaelic equivalents and I'm counting compound place names like "Kingston upon Hull" as single words). |
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Post by greatkingrat on Oct 26, 2017 19:29:23 GMT
If insist on compass point names, then naming the Birmingham Constituencies becomes a complete nightmare, and even the politicians will have trouble knowing which Birmingham constituency they live in. If try for areas within cities, it's possible that Edinburgh and Glasgow simply don't have large enough areas or enough prominent landmarks outside the centre for a suburb/landmark name to be workable.This. What about seats like Edinburgh, Pentlands and Glasgow, Cathcart which existed for decades before 2005? Edinburgh Pentlands and Glasgow Cathcart both still exist as Scottish Parliament constituencies. The current arrangement of descriptive names for Holyrood, and compass points for Westminster seems a sensible one, rather than having two constituencies with the same name but different boundaries, or trying to come up with enough descriptive names to avoid repetition. |
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Post by Foggy on Oct 26, 2017 23:20:08 GMT
Lizard & Scilly. Or is that a description of its MPs. I was going to make a similar suggestion. I'm not a fan of St. Ives (the constituency name not the place!) Due to the confusion with St Ives in Cambridgeshire. Lands End, Scillies, Lizard, Penzance or a combination of them would be much more appropriate. *ahem* I'll let you off for that lapse since you're new here. "Buckley & Hawarden" doesn't sound nearly Welsh enough for the Welsh Boundary Commission I would imagine. Bycli ac Hywardden? Popty ping and all that. I hope you realise that isn't actually the Welsh for microwave. Curse The Apprentice, forever. Not even people who lived there knew where that constituency was! I know I'm in a minority here but constituency names should mean something to the residents who live there, everyone else be damned. I actually like it when us amateur psephologists know where confusingly named constituencies are when everyone else is either confused or mystified! That's why my view has always been that constituency names should be more like Canada, less like the USA. Whilst I wouldn't want to see numbered constituencies like in France or the USA either, I do wonder what you think the rules are for naming ridings in Canada? Given the way Crosby is going demographically, I'm not sure I'd want to visit it. Are you sure you mean 'demographically' here? Is there something I don't know about the demographics of the place that would put you off?! |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 26, 2017 23:44:26 GMT
I know I'm in a minority here, but there should be far more constituencies named after local authority districts. The 1983 review had the right idea, and I deplore the Small Town & Little Piddling names we are increasingly getting instead. The names would be shorter too. Sittingbourne & Sheppey should simply be called Swale. Folkestone & Hythe should be Shepway. Clacton & Harwich should be Tendring. And so on. There's this ridiculous idea that has gained ground that if there's an orphan ward hived off somewhere you can't name a seat after the local district. No. Totally disagree. Never use these new damn fool names. Those constituencies should be named Sittingbourne Folkestone Harwich |
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Post by jigger on Oct 26, 2017 23:47:25 GMT
Maghull also came in from Ormskirk in 1974. Out of interest, have you ever been to Crosby, @conservativeestimate ? I never said it didn't. My point was that the majority of Crosby proper has been in a seat with that name from 1950 to 2010.
If we needed to have visited seats before we could comment on them, this'd be a very dull forum.I wasn't suggesting that at all. Though I have visited every Parliamentary Constituency in England, there are many in Scotland and Wales that I haven't visited and I have never been to Northern Ireland in my life. That doesn't mean that I feel precluded from commenting on those seats/areas - though obviously one should be cautious if one is discussing a place that one has never visited. And in answer to your later post, you shouldn't decide whether you visit an area on the basis of its political persuasion - thankfully I've never really had that problem in England as (totally coincidentally) I managed to time my visits when each constituency had either a Conservative or Labour MP. |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 26, 2017 23:51:43 GMT
Lizard & Scilly. Or is that a description of its MPs. I was going to make a similar suggestion. I'm not a fan of St. Ives (the constituency name not the place!) Due to the confusion with St Ives in Cambridgeshire. Lands End, Scillies, Lizard, Penzance or a combination of them would be much more appropriate. No it wouldn't. There is no possible confusion at all. |
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Post by Foggy on Oct 27, 2017 0:30:02 GMT
Oh, and 'Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland' should be called Guisborough, because I've heard of that place in a non-political context.
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Post by ccoleman on Oct 27, 2017 0:30:22 GMT
I dislike constituencies with more than two place names - i.e Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford, or Ruislip, Northwood and Pinner. Too cumbersome imo.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 0:49:58 GMT
MPs don’t help that though.
I’ve seen Zac Goldsmith’s leaflets referring to his seat as ‘Richmond Park & North Kingston’.
Also ‘Hove & Portslade’ has been used by Peter Kyle.
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Post by Foggy on Oct 27, 2017 2:26:11 GMT
MPs don’t help that though. I’ve seen Zac Goldsmith’s leaflets referring to his seat as ‘Richmond Park & North Kingston’. Also ‘Hove & Portslade’ has been used by Peter Kyle. ew. It's an epidemic then. Lots of literature by all parties in Eastbourne refers to the constituency as 'Eastbourne & Willingdon'. The local paper round where I currently live seems to forget that the constituency is even called 'Wells' and often tells of a mythical "Burnham and Highbridge MP"! |
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Post by greenchristian on Oct 27, 2017 6:16:10 GMT
I never said it didn't. My point was that the majority of Crosby proper has been in a seat with that name from 1950 to 2010.
If we needed to have visited seats before we could comment on them, this'd be a very dull forum.I wasn't suggesting that at all. Though I have visited every Parliamentary Constituency in England. That's interesting. Did you do that as some kind of project? If not, how did you check that you've visited every constituency in large urban areas? For example, a trip to the bits of Coventry that people who don't know the city have heard of would only take in two of the three constituencies. |
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Post by jigger on Oct 27, 2017 12:05:16 GMT
I wasn't suggesting that at all. Though I have visited every Parliamentary Constituency in England. That's interesting. Did you do that as some kind of project? If not, how did you check that you've visited every constituency in large urban areas? For example, a trip to the bits of Coventry that people who don't know the city have heard of would only take in two of the three constituencies. Well, for some constituencies I visited them merely as part of ordinary life (holidays etc) with no regard to my political interests. But as you imply, for places like Coventry and Nottingham it was generally to tick them of the list of constituencies that I'd never been too. My last one was South Holland and the Deepings which I visited in 2013. Since 2013, I've been increasing my visits to Scotland and Wales but as a proud English person it was very important to me to see all of England first. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Oct 27, 2017 12:13:14 GMT
I still need Louth & Horncastle. And Eileen-and-her-wotsits in Scotland.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Oct 27, 2017 13:02:52 GMT
I still need Louth & Horncastle. And Eileen-and-her-wotsits in Scotland. Are you sure? |
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Oct 27, 2017 13:17:00 GMT
ew. It's an epidemic then. Lots of literature by all parties in Eastbourne refers to the constituency as 'Eastbourne & Willingdon'. The local paper round where I currently live seems to forget that the constituency is even called 'Wells' and often tells of a mythical "Burnham and Highbridge MP"! I've seen Dover referred to as Dover & Deal before now... |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 27, 2017 13:35:16 GMT
Lots of literature by all parties in Eastbourne refers to the constituency as 'Eastbourne & Willingdon'. The local paper round where I currently live seems to forget that the constituency is even called 'Wells' and often tells of a mythical "Burnham and Highbridge MP"! I've seen Dover referred to as Dover & Deal before now... It was actually officially called that between 1974 and 1983. Unlike (e.g.) Corby and East Northamptonshire, or Christchurch and East Dorset. |
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