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Post by neilm on Feb 4, 2019 22:33:10 GMT
I agree that they've become much more uncritically pro-EU in the last few years. However, it's not like the right wing of the Tory party are going to implement a 'green' Brexit, are they? You can support something in an idealistic sense while recognising that the actual implement of it is completely different to how you would implement it and therefore not the right avenue at the present time. What exactly is a 'green Brexit?' |
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Post by jamie on Feb 4, 2019 22:38:20 GMT
What exactly is a 'green Brexit?' with his knowledge can probably explain better than me. From what I've read it would broadly be about putting the environment much further ahead of economic growth so keeping and strengthening regulations, scrapping a lot of CAP, and being strongly opposed to most free trade deals. |
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Post by john07 on Feb 5, 2019 0:09:43 GMT
What exactly is a 'green Brexit?' with his knowledge can probably explain better than me. From what I've read it would broadly be about putting the environment much further ahead of economic growth so keeping and strengthening regulations, scrapping a lot of CAP, and being strongly opposed to most free trade deals. The way things are going we will end up with a Brown Brexit (very foul smelling). |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 5, 2019 0:28:19 GMT
What exactly is a 'green Brexit?' with his knowledge can probably explain better than me. From what I've read it would broadly be about putting the environment much further ahead of economic growth so keeping and strengthening regulations, scrapping a lot of CAP, and being strongly opposed to most free trade deals. That's my understanding (although not sure my knowledge is greater than yours!) Economics on a human scale was the slogan. I don't agree with Jenny Jones on much, but this is well-expressed statement of her concerns. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/08/eu-reform-green-brexit |
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Post by greenchristian on Feb 11, 2019 22:27:24 GMT
Just heard that the SW Greens will be starting candidate selection shortly. Someone obviously believes Article 50 will be extended. I was there when West Mids party voted to start the selection process by appointing a returning officer. Advice from national party is that there is now a small, but nonzero, chance of Article 50 being either extended or cancelled. If either of these two outcomes do happen then we need to have started selection before the end of March. If and when it becomes clear that both options are entirely off the table, then any ongoing selection procedures will stop with immediate effect. |
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Post by johnloony on Feb 12, 2019 0:02:20 GMT
My attitude to the EP election at the moment is that it could only happen if there was a delay to Brexit, i.e. if there is a catastrophic betrayal by the PM or Parliament. Accordingly, I would not want to validate or legitimise such election by voting in it. I would probably just not bother voting (I wouldn't spoil my ballot paper because that in itself would be to validate the election). But if Brexit is delayed or extended, and if the election does take place, then I might change my mind accordingly before then. I don't know whether I would vote Conservative, or for the Brexit Party, or even possibly UKIP (despite Batten's idiotically dangerous obsession with Islamophobia).
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Post by froome on Feb 12, 2019 7:38:30 GMT
My attitude to the EP election at the moment is that it could only happen if there was a delay to Brexit, i.e. if there is a catastrophic betrayal by the PM or Parliament. Accordingly, I would not want to validate or legitimise such election by voting in it. I would probably just not bother voting (I wouldn't spoil my ballot paper because that in itself would be to validate the election). But if Brexit is delayed or extended, and if the election does take place, then I might change my mind accordingly before then. I don't know whether I would vote Conservative, or for the Brexit Party, or even possibly UKIP (despite Batten's idiotically dangerous obsession with Islamophobia). If the UK does take part in the EP election, then it will be interesting to see how many spoiled ballot papers there are. |
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Post by Antiochian on Feb 12, 2019 8:58:26 GMT
My attitude to the EP election at the moment is that it could only happen if there was a delay to Brexit, i.e. if there is a catastrophic betrayal by the PM or Parliament. Accordingly, I would not want to validate or legitimise such election by voting in it. I would probably just not bother voting (I wouldn't spoil my ballot paper because that in itself would be to validate the election). But if Brexit is delayed or extended, and if the election does take place, then I might change my mind accordingly before then. I don't know whether I would vote Conservative, or for the Brexit Party, or even possibly UKIP (despite Batten's idiotically dangerous obsession with Islamophobia). I suspect that if there is a EP election a lot of party loyalties will come loose for what will be seen as a joke election. Could work out very well for the Brexit Party and, strangely, the LibDems. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Mar 2, 2019 12:36:04 GMT
Poll for Austria (GREENS running left without, right with a popular TeleVision-starlet):  |
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 2, 2019 23:27:15 GMT
Poll for Austria (GREENS running left without, right with a popular TeleVision-starlet): who is she Georg, exactly? |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Mar 3, 2019 10:07:53 GMT
Poll for Austria (GREENS running left without, right with a popular TeleVision-starlet): who is she Georg, exactly? According to NewsPapers she is cooking on TeleVision. |
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 3, 2019 10:26:32 GMT
who is she Georg, exactly? According to NewsPapers she is cooking on TeleVision. She'll fall off!
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 3, 2019 12:07:45 GMT
I suspect there will be some weird results across Europe.
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Post by uhurasmazda on Mar 3, 2019 20:26:00 GMT
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middyman
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Post by middyman on Mar 3, 2019 21:20:41 GMT
If matters go pear-shaped and we have European elections, I suspect that the Brexit Party will be much in evidence. |
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Post by boondock on Mar 4, 2019 21:14:59 GMT
Mark Durkan former SDLP leader to stand for FG in Dublin at the European election. Interesting considering SDLP have recently formed a formal alliance with FF
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Post by jamie on Mar 4, 2019 22:47:29 GMT
Mark Durkan former SDLP leader to stand for FG in Dublin at the European election. Interesting considering SDLP have recently formed a formal alliance with FF Do the SDLP actually have any left of centre politicians left or are they all ideological FF/FG? |
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Georg Ebner
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Post by Georg Ebner on Mar 5, 2019 1:41:35 GMT
Mark Durkan former SDLP leader to stand for FG in Dublin at the European election. Interesting considering SDLP have recently formed a formal alliance with FF Right, SDLP has been, what FG had been once: soft nationalists. But otherwise... |
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Post by clyde1998 on Mar 5, 2019 2:53:07 GMT
If matters go pear-shaped and we have European elections, I suspect that the Brexit Party will be much in evidence. It's interesting that no-one has attempted to poll with them, as I reckon the Farage factor may make them poll above (or close to) UKIP - especially if they get a similar amount of media attention as UKIP in the run up to the hypothetical election. |
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Post by uhurasmazda on Mar 5, 2019 4:20:22 GMT
If matters go pear-shaped and we have European elections, I suspect that the Brexit Party will be much in evidence. It's interesting that no-one has attempted to poll with them, as I reckon the Farage factor may make them poll above (or close to) UKIP - especially if they get a similar amount of media attention as UKIP in the run up to the hypothetical election. They haven't been polled for the Euro election (which they probably ought to be) but the latest YouGov has them on 2% for Westminster. As against 4% for UKIP. |
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