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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 12, 2018 19:48:24 GMT
With the EU in the state it's in, and Germany in the state it's in, to chose Manfred Weber as their standard-bearer over Alexander Stubb is very bold. It's positively moronic. Orban will be laughing his head off. |
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Post by seanf on Nov 12, 2018 20:33:07 GMT
With the EU in the state it's in, and Germany in the state it's in, to chose Manfred Weber as their standard-bearer over Alexander Stubb is very bold. It's positively moronic. Orban will be laughing his head off. Do you think Fidesz will remain in the EPP or join ECR? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 13, 2018 0:34:31 GMT
It's positively moronic. Orban will be laughing his head off. Do you think Fidesz will remain in the EPP or join ECR? I think they'll stay in the EPP. They'll stay put unless someone tries to throw them out, at which case they will cry martyrdom and the PiS will welcome them into the ECR. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 22, 2018 21:17:55 GMT
Minister of Justice Katarina Barley to be the lead candidate for the SPD. If David McAllister follows suit for the CDU, as he did last time, both lead candidates will be half-British.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 12, 2018 19:27:38 GMT
What's happened to Varoufakis's vanity project pan-European party that was due to run in 2019?
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Post by clyde1998 on Dec 12, 2018 19:39:16 GMT
What's happened to Varoufakis's vanity project pan-European party that was due to run in 2019? Apparently, he's number one on the Democracy in Europe list in Germany.  |
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Post by neilm on Dec 13, 2018 4:52:43 GMT
What's happened to Varoufakis's vanity project pan-European party that was due to run in 2019? Apparently, he's number one on the Democracy in Europe list in Germany. They sound like a Guardianista wet dream. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 20, 2019 14:31:51 GMT
According to the Herald on Sunday, the SNP is selecting candidates for the European Parliament election - as they'll be needed if Article 50 is extended or cancelled.
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Post by manchesterman on Jan 20, 2019 15:18:05 GMT
According to the Herald on Sunday, the SNP is selecting candidates for the European Parliament election - as they'll be needed if Article 50 is extended or cancelled. eminently sensible thing to do.. we havent left yet so better to plan and then just not have to actually campaign etc, than get caught short if we dont exit on 29 March |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jan 20, 2019 21:52:50 GMT
According to the Herald on Sunday, the SNP is selecting candidates for the European Parliament election - as they'll be needed if Article 50 is extended or cancelled. eminently sensible thing to do.. we havent left yet so better to plan and then just not have to actually campaign etc, than get caught short if we dont exit on 29 March Even though I'm a regular here, and have discussed the mechanisms to get the Euro Elections back on again, at a party meeting last week my train of throught was demolished, with the tracks ripped up for scrap, when somebody mentioned "we need to be putting EU candidate selections in place". In all the discussions of the theory I'd completely neglected to mentally connected it with actually doing something.  |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Feb 1, 2019 23:16:22 GMT
The EU-commissioner for IT (Mrs.Gabriel) signed a treaty with FaceBook, Twitter, Google aso., that they'll try to suppress during the campaigning robots and "fake news". (And what is "fake news" for Mr.Juncker?: Orban's remark, for example, that Brexit was caused by him or Merkel or MassImmigration...)
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Post by peterl on Feb 3, 2019 18:49:33 GMT
Just heard that the SW Greens will be starting candidate selection shortly. Someone obviously believes Article 50 will be extended.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 3, 2019 20:35:54 GMT
Just heard that the SW Greens will be starting candidate selection shortly. Someone obviously believes Article 50 will be extended. And if that happens, will you be campaigning to get Molly Scott Cato returned to the European Parliament ? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 4, 2019 0:23:41 GMT
Just heard that the SW Greens will be starting candidate selection shortly. Someone obviously believes Article 50 will be extended. And if that happens, will you be campaigning to get Molly Scott Cato returned to the European Parliament ? Grimly hilarious to see her and Lucas praise a body that they used to berate as a bosses' clique and not built on a human scale. Funny how their view changed roughly around the times that they joined the payroll. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 7:58:12 GMT
And if that happens, will you be campaigning to get Molly Scott Cato returned to the European Parliament ? Grimly hilarious to see her and Lucas praise a body that they used to berate as a bosses' clique and not built on a human scale. Funny how their view changed roughly around the times that they joined the payroll. wasn't Lucas a eurosceptic as recently as 2011? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 4, 2019 8:07:58 GMT
Grimly hilarious to see her and Lucas praise a body that they used to berate as a bosses' clique and not built on a human scale. Funny how their view changed roughly around the times that they joined the payroll. wasn't Lucas a eurosceptic as recently as 2011? I believe that you are correct. |
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Post by froome on Feb 4, 2019 8:26:18 GMT
wasn't Lucas a eurosceptic as recently as 2011? I believe that you are correct. You can be a Eurosceptic and an MEP. I think you will find many of the UK's MEPs are. Obviously being an MEP will shape your opinions, but it doesn't mean they change completely. No doubt the same is true of all MPs as well. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 4, 2019 9:28:05 GMT
I believe that you are correct. You can be a Eurosceptic and an MEP. I think you will find many of the UK's MEPs are. Obviously being an MEP will shape your opinions, but it doesn't mean they change completely. No doubt the same is true of all MPs as well. I'm not convinced that either me or @priceofdawn are far off the mark here though. Lucas and Scott Cato's writings of previous years, indeed relatively recent years, appear to be quite at odds with their rhetoric since Brexit. "Green Alternatives to Globalisation" is quite clearly Eurosceptic text, and MSC's "Green Economics" is quite critical of free trade blocs, if not to the same degree. When Jenny Jones wrote an article in the Guardian that took this same approach, I remember her being treated like some sort of outsider or dotty maiden aunt, even though her argument was almost identical to some of MSC's prior writing. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 4, 2019 9:33:06 GMT
You can be a Eurosceptic and an MEP. I think you will find many of the UK's MEPs are. Obviously being an MEP will shape your opinions, but it doesn't mean they change completely. No doubt the same is true of all MPs as well. I'm not convinced that either me or @priceofdawn are far off the mark here though. Lucas and Scott Cato's writings of previous years, indeed relatively recent years, appear to be quite at odds with their rhetoric since Brexit. "Green Alternatives to Globalisation" is quite clearly Eurosceptic text, and MSC's "Green Economics" is quite critical of free trade blocs, if not to the same degree. When Jenny Jones wrote an article in the Guardian that took this same approach, I remember her being treated like some sort of outsider or dotty maiden aunt, even though her argument was almost identical to some of MSC's prior writing. I think basically it's the same kind of infantile 'my enemy's enemy' mentality described here From what I can see, younger Corbynistas aren't so much pro-EU as anti-Boris, Rees-Mogg, Farage and the all the other malcontents that made themselves the public face of both Leave and No Deal. The logic is if those people really want us to leave the EU, and leave on the worst possible terms, then it cannot possibly be a good thing. |
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Post by jamie on Feb 4, 2019 21:53:55 GMT
I agree that they've become much more uncritically pro-EU in the last few years. However, it's not like the right wing of the Tory party are going to implement a 'green' Brexit, are they? You can support something in an idealistic sense while recognising that the actual implement of it is completely different to how you would implement it and therefore not the right avenue at the present time.
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