The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 24, 2017 10:11:47 GMT
Looks like there was a late swing back to National, then?
I suspect the next election may not be pretty for them, though.
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cogload
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Post by cogload on Sept 24, 2017 10:23:22 GMT
Considering where Labour were pre Election Arden did a good job. Basically the Nats bullshitted on Labour's policy on tax.
Sound familiar?
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Post by cogload on Sept 25, 2017 18:50:28 GMT
Special vote counting time (about 300k of them). If previous form is followed then expect the Nats to drop with rises in Green/Labour seats.
This could take a couple of weeks which is probably why Winston is in no hurry.
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mboy
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Post by mboy on Sept 25, 2017 22:08:48 GMT
Why the fuck don't these countries require that postal votes arrive by the close of polls, like we do??
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Post by maxque on Sept 26, 2017 1:22:25 GMT
Why the fuck don't these countries require that postal votes arrive by the close of polls, like we do?? They have the ballots. Special votes are people on the unpublished role or who registered during the campaign. They need to verify the if voter was entitled to vote before counting it. |
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Post by mboy on Sept 26, 2017 7:34:57 GMT
They should have a deadline for that as well, as we do.
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Post by timrollpickering on Sept 26, 2017 9:59:12 GMT
Why the fuck don't these countries require that postal votes arrive by the close of polls, like we do?? Because often the countries don't have universal daily postal services and so it's harder to get the ballot papers out and back in time, particularly in rural areas that might only have a once a week collection. |
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Post by Foggy on Sept 27, 2017 1:36:12 GMT
Why the fuck don't these countries require that postal votes arrive by the close of polls, like we do?? Because often the countries don't have universal daily postal services and so it's harder to get the ballot papers out and back in time, particularly in rural areas that might only have a once a week collection. wealthy developed countries have no excuse not to provide a universal daily postal service if places the size of the US and Canada can manage it... nonetheless, as Max pointed out, unlike in Australia that's not actually the issue here. That said, the number of special votes only works out to around an extra 4,500 per constituency, so if any of them can't be validated after a few days I think they should automatically be presumed void (and if that sounds harsh then maybe it'll discourage people from relying on 'special votes' so much and/or encourage NZ to get more efficient with its counting and verification process). |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 14:50:10 GMT
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cogload
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Post by cogload on Oct 7, 2017 3:16:41 GMT
National lose 2 with Labour and the Greenies picking up one each after the Special votes were counted.
Final total is Nats 56, Lab/ Green 54 (Lab 46/ Green 8), Act 1 (which will surely go next time) and Dear old Winston and NZ First with 9.
Let the haggling begin.
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Post by maxque on Oct 7, 2017 3:18:56 GMT
Because often the countries don't have universal daily postal services and so it's harder to get the ballot papers out and back in time, particularly in rural areas that might only have a once a week collection. wealthy developed countries have no excuse not to provide a universal daily postal service if places the size of the US and Canada can manage it... nonetheless, as Max pointed out, unlike in Australia that's not actually the issue here. That said, the number of special votes only works out to around an extra 4,500 per constituency, so if any of them can't be validated after a few days I think they should automatically be presumed void (and if that sounds harsh then maybe it'll discourage people from relying on 'special votes' so much and/or encourage NZ to get more efficient with its counting and verification process). So people should be punished for electoral services being inefficient? Because, right now, any vote casted by anyone who wasn't on the register on the date the election was called have to cast them. So, if there is a catch election, too bad for people and moved and didn't update their registration right away? |
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 7, 2017 10:02:57 GMT
National lose 2 with Labour and the Greenies picking up one each after the Special votes were counted. Final total is Nats 56, Lab/ Green 54 (Lab 46/ Green 8), Act 1 (which will surely go next time) and Dear old Winston and NZ First with 9. Let the haggling begin. what would happen in New zealand politics if Winston was abducted tomorrow by aliens? would NZ first disappear? and if they did where would the votes go? The New Zealand carpet industry is certainly hoping he will get into government. |
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cogload
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Post by cogload on Oct 7, 2017 10:20:20 GMT
It is a good question. A lot of Peters brand is "nationalist socialism" ( lots of cash spent, immigration restrictions) so there is a great deal of policy overlap between NZF and Labour, although Arden would not countenance the abolition of the Maori seats which Peters wants.
What maybe a factor is that Paula Bennett (Nats chief attack hound and Deputy dawg to English) leaked that Winston was trousering additional cash on his superannuation during the campaign. Bennett denies this but Peters doesnt believe her.
Labour were only 5k votes (0.19%) short of pulling another seat off National after the specials so that indicates there was a significant Arden boost in their campaign.
For those of us who follow the fortunes of Kiwirail the prospect of WP pulling the strings is very illuminating. He wants an entirely new railway line to the Northland and the Port of Auckland moved to Marsden Point. Arden (and the Greenies) want to expand the Auckland suburban as far as Hamilton and wire up the Waikato. National want to shut the lot barring the suburban networks.
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 7, 2017 11:07:44 GMT
It is a good question. A lot of Peters brand is "nationalist socialism" ( lots of cash spent, immigration restrictions) so there is a great deal of policy overlap between NZF and Labour, although Arden would not countenance the abolition of the Maori seats which Peters wants. What maybe a factor is that Paula Bennett (Nats chief attack hound and Deputy dawg to English) leaked that Winston was trousering additional cash on his superannuation during the campaign. Bennett denies this but Peters doesnt believe her. Labour were only 5k votes (0.19%) short of pulling another seat off National after the specials so that indicates there was a significant Arden boost in their campaign. For those of us who follow the fortunes of Kiwirail the prospect of WP pulling the strings is very illuminating. He wants an entirely new railway line to the Northland and the Port of Auckland moved to Marsden Point. Arden (and the Greenies) want to expand the Auckland suburban as far as Hamilton and wire up the Waikato. National want to shut the lot barring the suburban networks. Dr Beeching is alive and well and living in New Zealand apparently... |
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Post by Foggy on Oct 7, 2017 21:13:33 GMT
All wealthy developed countries have no excuse not to provide a universal daily postal service if places the size of the US and Canada can manage it... nonetheless, as Max pointed out, unlike in Australia that's not actually the issue here. That said, the number of special votes only works out to around an extra 4,500 per constituency, so if any of them can't be validated after a few days I think they should automatically be presumed void (and if that sounds harsh then maybe it'll discourage people from relying on 'special votes' so much and/or encourage NZ to get more efficient with its counting and verification process). So people should be punished for electoral services being inefficient? Because, right now, any vote casted by anyone who wasn't on the register on the date the election was called have to cast them. So, if there is a catch election, too bad for people and moved and didn't update their registration right away? I'm obviously not saying ordinary voters who give an unambiguous preference on their ballot paper should be punished, but there's no reason Kiwi infrastructure can't get its act together. I'm not sure what a 'catch election' is (a catch-them-on-the-hop election, perhaps?), but with 3-year terms in New Zealand a snap election is unlikely. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 15:46:34 GMT
"Nearly three weeks after New Zealand’s general election, the country is waiting for an anonymous, unelected board of individuals belonging to a minor party to make a decision on who forms the next government. Winston Peters, leader of the party holding the balance of power, has said the New Zealand First board – membership of which he will not reveal – will have the final say on which of the major parties he will go into coalition with. However, Peters says those members have yet to ask for time off work and others have funerals to attend before they can gather to decide."
"On Friday Peters said his board will meet on Monday."www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/13/new-zealand-election-result-anonymous-nz-first-board-winston-peters
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Post by timrollpickering on Oct 15, 2017 16:43:34 GMT
That's quick for Peters.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 16:44:45 GMT
Yes, I will believe it when I see it. |
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mondialito
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Post by mondialito on Oct 15, 2017 18:03:05 GMT
Are we sure that this board isn't just Winston and a pack of cards?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 18:06:48 GMT
Are we sure that this board isn't just Winston and a pack of cards? Yes. "Peters has meanwhile requested that the privacy of NZ First’s board be respected, a move that has left journalists scouring social media in an effort to piece together the identities of the men and women who are now charged with deciding the make-up of New Zealand’s next government. The board is made up of a collection of private citizens including a number of people who stood for NZ First in their electorates or have long-standing affiliations with the party. Some names that have been revealed include Kristin Campbell-Smith, a former policy analyst at the department of internal affairs, Toa Greening, who stood for the Papakura seat and enjoys mountain biking and Thai food, and South Island party vice-president John Thorn, of whom little is known." |
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