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Post by uhurasmazda on Aug 12, 2017 11:32:44 GMT
Not a huge story, but it looks like the United Future party will be wiped out for good on 23 September. www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11902970Peter Dunne has been around since the 80s for a series of parties. Initially a follower of Roger Douglas, he formed his own party, Future NZ, once we introduced MMP on the assumption that any party would get in on a proportional system. However, a year later a bunch of other people of similar ilk formed the United Party (harking back to the liberal party of the 1920s) and he joined in. They were your standard mushy centrists who had read about the Lib Dems in a book once without realising that centrist pragmatism was not really the major reason for their relative success. However, the Future bit of United Future came from the Future NZ party - a right-wing Christian party with the same name as Dunne's old party. With these new guys, Dunne managed to get more than just the Ohariu electorate for a couple of terms. However, the bulk of them ended up in the Conservative Party, another Christian outfit which almost crossed the threshold in 2014. Labour came very close to winning Ohariu in 2014, and the United Future party vote there is negligible. People only vote for him because National tell them to. Unfortunately, his central policy this election is legalising cannabis, which isn't going to appeal to all Nats, and the Greens have endorsed Labour in the electorate this time. And now a poll has him losing - by the way, announcing a trifling governmental policy to counter a negative poll is such a Dunne thing to do. His only other characteristic is his impressive hair and bow tie. In other news, I am visiting Whangarei for the weekend, and am seeing quite a few hoardings for the Social Credit candidate, Chris Leitch, who would have won the famous Tamaki by-election in 1992 if he hadn't incurred a parking fine in the final week of the campaign. |
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 12, 2017 12:01:21 GMT
Not a huge story, but it looks like the United Future party will be wiped out for good on 23 September. www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11902970Peter Dunne has been around since the 80s for a series of parties. Initially a follower of Roger Douglas, he formed his own party, Future NZ, once we introduced MMP on the assumption that any party would get in on a proportional system. However, a year later a bunch of other people of similar ilk formed the United Party (harking back to the liberal party of the 1920s) and he joined in. They were your standard mushy centrists who had read about the Lib Dems in a book once without realising that centrist pragmatism was not really the major reason for their relative success. However, the Future bit of United Future came from the Future NZ party - a right-wing Christian party with the same name as Dunne's old party. With these new guys, Dunne managed to get more than just the Ohariu electorate for a couple of terms. However, the bulk of them ended up in the Conservative Party, another Christian outfit which almost crossed the threshold in 2014. Labour came very close to winning Ohariu in 2014, and the United Future party vote there is negligible. People only vote for him because National tell them to. Unfortunately, his central policy this election is legalising cannabis, which isn't going to appeal to all Nats, and the Greens have endorsed Labour in the electorate this time. And now a poll has him losing - by the way, announcing a trifling governmental policy to counter a negative poll is such a Dunne thing to do. His only other characteristic is his impressive hair and bow tie. In other news, I am visiting Whangarei for the weekend, and am seeing quite a few hoardings for the Social Credit candidate, Chris Leitch, who would have won the famous Tamaki by-election in 1992 if he hadn't incurred a parking fine in the final week of the campaign.A new by election story (to me at any rate). worth getting up just for that.  |
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Post by cogload on Aug 12, 2017 12:17:48 GMT
Depends what you want out of your agriculture sector. If you want it to be the lynchpin of your export efforts, then deregulation is a good thing - you don't use tariff protectionism for your core industry, that's just insane. Whether agri is sustainable as a core industry in NZ is another matter, but it makes sense. If, however, you don't want your rivers to be full of e. coli and cow shit, your populace to be one of the most undernourished in the West, and your failing farmers to struggle with mental health issues, you might have different priorities. The clean green image is polished bullshit. Very good bullshit though. |
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Post by uhurasmazda on Aug 13, 2017 10:05:37 GMT
Depends what you want out of your agriculture sector. If you want it to be the lynchpin of your export efforts, then deregulation is a good thing - you don't use tariff protectionism for your core industry, that's just insane. Whether agri is sustainable as a core industry in NZ is another matter, but it makes sense. If, however, you don't want your rivers to be full of e. coli and cow shit, your populace to be one of the most undernourished in the West, and your failing farmers to struggle with mental health issues, you might have different priorities. The clean green image is polished bullshit. Very good bullshit though. Couldn't agree more. The Great Walks are full of littering trampers, the rivers are unsuitable, our greenhouse gas emissions are surprisingly high, our forests are full of 1080 instead of kauri. The only reason we have the reputation that we have is because our population is so small that we haven't got round to ruining vast swathes of the country. It will be interesting to have the Greens in a coalition government. |
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Post by neilm on Aug 13, 2017 19:53:13 GMT
What is 1080?
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Post by greenhert on Aug 13, 2017 20:55:13 GMT
1080 is a kind of rat poison known to have detrimental environmental effects-there is even a Ban 1080 party.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 13, 2017 21:54:05 GMT
A surprise score in darts. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 13, 2017 22:03:42 GMT
A surprise score in darts. Number of lines of a high definition television picture. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Aug 13, 2017 23:58:40 GMT
Is this one of those cryptic questions they allegedly ask people who are being interviewed for places at Oxford or Cambridge Universities? |
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Post by albion on Aug 14, 2017 7:27:45 GMT
Number of different positions Boris Johnson has taken over Brexit during the last 2 years (which may qualify it as rat poison). |
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Post by neilm on Aug 14, 2017 14:18:20 GMT
A surprise score in darts. Maybe we should print a load of those signs they wave and substitute them for 180 ones? |
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 16, 2017 20:14:13 GMT
It will be interesting to have the Greens in a coalition government. play it right and you can wipe them out next time, basically just blame all the bad stuff on them - even get them to announce it! And take the credit for all the good stuff. The public always fall for it. such cynicism in one so young..... |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Aug 16, 2017 20:17:43 GMT
play it right and you can wipe them out next time, basically just blame all the bad stuff on them - even get them to announce it! And take the credit for all the good stuff. The public always fall for it. such cynicism in one so young..... Old enough to experience the devastation of the Liberal Democrats. |
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Post by tamar on Aug 17, 2017 12:01:03 GMT
It will be interesting to have the Greens in a coalition government. play it right and you can wipe them out next time, basically just blame all the bad stuff on them - even get them to announce it! And take the credit for all the good stuff. The public always fall for it. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 17, 2017 12:20:36 GMT
Who are the Opportunity Party?
And what happened to that Green bloke who looked like he was a Big Mountain tribute act?
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Post by mboy on Aug 17, 2017 12:25:44 GMT
Err... Wasn't that basically the polls when Theresa called the UK GE? Somehow I doubt we'll see a repeat... Maybe I was wrong, lol  |
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Post by mondialito on Aug 17, 2017 12:33:49 GMT
Err... Wasn't that basically the polls when Theresa called the UK GE? Somehow I doubt we'll see a repeat... Maybe I was wrong, lol Although to be fair to the Nats, this isn't a snap election. If they do lose, it will be due to Labour's campaign rather than their own hubris. As for the Greens, it seems having a self-confessed benefits cheat as leader really isn't good for their brand. |
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Post by greenhert on Aug 17, 2017 12:38:04 GMT
Who are the Opportunity Party? And what happened to that Green bloke who looked like he was a Big Mountain tribute act? The Opportunities Party, which was only registered earlier this year, is a sort of centrist liberal party with an environmentalist leaning. It could therefore easily take away considerable numbers of more moderate Green voters if it tried (as well as some from NZ First), although so far it does not look like it will poll well enough to enter the New Zealand Parliament. |
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Post by uhurasmazda on Aug 17, 2017 13:23:06 GMT
That 4% will realistically be their floor, and I have spoken to a few G/L swing voters this evening since the poll came out who will begrudgingly return to the fold in order to keep them in Parliament. I'm sure everyone on the Left will breathe easier when they reach 6/7% again - this seems to happen every time, they consistently run terrible campaigns.
TOP is alleged to be a Nat front, although the leader used to be a Labour donor. I have no inside info either way. At any rate, the fact that it can only struggle up to 2% while the Greens are at their lowest ebb suggests that they're at their ceiling and can be ignored.
I can't recall coming across any NZF/TOP switchers, it doesn't seem like a natural move. The former is socially conservative, economically statist and led by a charismatic man, the latter is socially liberal, economically vaguely-free-market, and led by a man who thinks he can pull off a tache with a voice *that* piercingly high-pitched.
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Post by maxque on Aug 21, 2017 2:33:52 GMT
Not a huge story, but it looks like the United Future party will be wiped out for good on 23 September. www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11902970Peter Dunne has been around since the 80s for a series of parties. Initially a follower of Roger Douglas, he formed his own party, Future NZ, once we introduced MMP on the assumption that any party would get in on a proportional system. However, a year later a bunch of other people of similar ilk formed the United Party (harking back to the liberal party of the 1920s) and he joined in. They were your standard mushy centrists who had read about the Lib Dems in a book once without realising that centrist pragmatism was not really the major reason for their relative success. However, the Future bit of United Future came from the Future NZ party - a right-wing Christian party with the same name as Dunne's old party. With these new guys, Dunne managed to get more than just the Ohariu electorate for a couple of terms. However, the bulk of them ended up in the Conservative Party, another Christian outfit which almost crossed the threshold in 2014. Labour came very close to winning Ohariu in 2014, and the United Future party vote there is negligible. People only vote for him because National tell them to. Unfortunately, his central policy this election is legalising cannabis, which isn't going to appeal to all Nats, and the Greens have endorsed Labour in the electorate this time. And now a poll has him losing - by the way, announcing a trifling governmental policy to counter a negative poll is such a Dunne thing to do. His only other characteristic is his impressive hair and bow tie. In other news, I am visiting Whangarei for the weekend, and am seeing quite a few hoardings for the Social Credit candidate, Chris Leitch, who would have won the famous Tamaki by-election in 1992 if he hadn't incurred a parking fine in the final week of the campaign. PeterDunne announced his resignation as party leader and than he won't seek another term in next month election. |
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