|
|
Post by andrew111 on Jul 28, 2017 18:10:09 GMT
I think that was a very bad night for the Lib Dems despite small increases in their vote in all three seats. In the period between the referendum and Theresa May calling the General Election they would certainly have won in Lincolnshire and Dorset and might have won in Fallowfield when you consider how many Lib Dem leaflets have been delivered there this year. However as I recall things were similar for a few months after the 2015 Election For the time being at least the landscape has been changed since the GE was called as we saw first in the May elections. Hopefully from my point of view things change before next May or there will be another round of Lib Dem losses from the already low base of 2014.... Well despite my pseudo non-aligned status I went canvassing in Gorton and Jackie Pearcey was on course to get at least 30%. But the GE changed the landscape overnight, Labour voters rediscovered their loyalty and the Lib Dems did rubbish in that Longsight by election on local election day as well as the Mayoral contest. That Fallowfield by-election with such a low turnout and no students there was just the sort of place the Lib Dems would have won a few months ago when they were winning in Rotherham and Sunderland... |
|
|
|
Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 28, 2017 18:31:41 GMT
Wait so it's OK not to vote if you live in a safe area or are a student... It's the principle dam it It's OK not to vote ... anywhere ... if that's your freely exercised choice. |
|
The Bishop
Labour
Down With Factionalism!
Posts: 38,952
Member is Online
|
Post by The Bishop on Jul 28, 2017 18:33:48 GMT
I think that was a very bad night for the Lib Dems despite small increases in their vote in all three seats. In the period between the referendum and Theresa May calling the General Election they would certainly have won in Lincolnshire and Dorset and might have won in Fallowfield when you consider how many Lib Dem leaflets have been delivered there this year. However as I recall things were similar for a few months after the 2015 Election For the time being at least the landscape has been changed since the GE was called as we saw first in the May elections. Hopefully from my point of view things change before next May or there will be another round of Lib Dem losses from the already low base of 2014.... Well despite my pseudo non-aligned status I went canvassing in Gorton and Jackie Pearcey was on course to get at least 30%. But the GE changed the landscape overnight, Labour voters rediscovered their loyalty and the Lib Dems did rubbish in that Longsight by election on local election day as well as the Mayoral contest. That Fallowfield by-election with such a low turnout and no students there was just the sort of place the Lib Dems would have won a few months ago when they were winning in Rotherham and Sunderland... They had local issues to exploit in both those (Rotherham especially) And its been the Greens challenging (albeit fairly distantly) in Fallowfield recently. |
|
|
|
Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 28, 2017 18:39:02 GMT
If you believe in compulsory voting as a principle, then it should be completely irrelevant whether current turnouts are very low, or very high, or something else. There is no logical basis for you to argue that a turnout of 9% is an argument for compulsory voting; if that is your belief then you need to justify it with reasons unrelated to turnout. well there is a logical basis for it... if turnout was voluntarily say over 80% then I would be less bothered about compulsory voting as you are never going to get 100%, low turnouts of late are eroding the mandate of politicians & are more generally are allowing people to live politically disengaged lives without penalty. (even if you have compulsory voting there is often 10% that will pay the fine - see Australia). I think you know I was referring to the principle of always always voting on an individual level (compulsory or not), as there was a suggestion that it is ok not to vote if you are a student on holiday 🙄 You do realise that some of the students on the current Register will not be returning, having completed their courses? You're suggesting they should be placed under an obligation either to travel to Manchester on Polling Day (or arrange a PV) to elect a councillor for a ward they will no longer be living in, to an Authority to which they will make no contribution and from which they receive no services? |
|
CatholicLeft
Labour
2032 posts until I was "accidentally" deleted.
Posts: 6,729
|
Post by CatholicLeft on Jul 28, 2017 19:45:32 GMT
"If you were terminally ill and about to die you should still use your vote imo".
And here you lost me, I'm afraid, Benji
|
|
|
|
Post by middleenglander on Jul 28, 2017 20:19:11 GMT
Manchester, Fallowfield - Labour hold | Party | 2017 votes | 2017 share | since 2016 | since 2015 | since 2014 | since 2012 | | Labour | 861 | 76.9% | +5.7% | +16.6% | +15.3% | -1.0% | Green | 105 | 9.4% | -5.7% | -13.4% | -12.6% | +0.5% | Liberal Democrat | 82 | 7.3% | +2.7% | +2.8% | +3.4% | +3.7% | Conservative | 72 | 6.4% | -0.8% | -4.6% | -3.8% | -0.0% | TUSC |
|
| -2.0% | -1.4% | -2.3% | -3.1% | Total votes | 1,120 |
| 45% | 19% | 32% | 51% |
Swing Green to Labour 5¾% since 2016, 15% since 2015, 14% since 2014 but Labour to Green ¾% since 2012 Council now 95 Labour, 1 Liberal Democrat North Dorset, Blandford Central - Conservative gain from Independent, who had no by-election candidate| Party | 2017 votes | 2017 share | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | | Conservative | 310 | 36.6% | +16.6% | +19.1% | Labour | 307 | 36.3% | +25.1% | +24.8% | Liberal Democrat | 229 | 27.1% | +0.1% | -0.8% | Independent |
|
| -29.8% | -30.8% | Green |
|
| -12.0% | -12.3% | Total votes | 846 |
| 27% | 28% |
Swing not meaningful
Council now 29 Conservative, 3 Liberal Democrat, 1 Independent
West Lindsey, Scotter & Blyton - Conservative hold
| Party | 2017 votes | 2017 share | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | | Since 2013 B ^ | since 2013 ^ | since 2009 ^ | | Conservative | 694 | 44.0% | +8.9% | +11.1% |
| +20.4% | +2.0% | -15.3% | Liberal Democrat | 555 | 35.1% | +8.8% | +11.2% |
| -14.1% | +12.1% | +2.8% | Labour | 230 | 14.6% | -1.3% | -1.7% |
| from nowhere | +4.5% | +6.2% | UKIP | 100 | 6.3% | from nowhere | from nowhere |
| -11.6% | -18.7% | from nowhere | No Description |
|
| -22.7% | -26.9% |
|
|
|
| Lincolnshire Independent |
|
|
|
|
| -9.3% |
|
| Total votes |
|
| 32% | 37% |
| 107% | 92% | 65%
|
^ County Council election with the same boundary
No swing since 2015 but if meaningful
- Liberal Democrat to Conservative 17¼% since 2013 County Council by-election although Conservative to Liberal Democrat 6% since 2013 & 9% since 2009
Council now 24 Conservative, 7 Liberal Democrat, 3 Labour, 1 Lincolnshire Independent, 1 Independent
|
|
