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Post by The Bishop on Dec 27, 2017 11:44:52 GMT
The other seat referred to in the above post may be Calder Valley (though the Tory majority there in June was actually c600, not 300)
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Post by YL on Dec 27, 2017 11:46:25 GMT
The other seat referred to in the above post may be Calder Valley (though the Tory majority there in June was actually c600, not 300) Pudsey. |
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Post by hullenedge on Dec 27, 2017 11:47:18 GMT
The other seat referred to in the above post may be Calder Valley (though the Tory majority there in June was actually c600, not 300) It's Pudsey. The Tories in that seat were campaigning in Halifax because it was assumed that Stuart Andrew was 'home and dry'. |
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Post by The Bishop on Dec 27, 2017 11:47:25 GMT
Didn't realise it was *that* close!
And all that Tory campaigning in Halifax didn't seem terribly productive in the end......
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Post by hullenedge on Dec 27, 2017 11:50:21 GMT
Which clubs do you go to where they do that?! you’d be surprised, he became trendy over the summer When Corbyn came to the hudd about 40 other students skived of college with me. Can you imagine any other leader creating such a reaction? Not sure about leaders but when The Beatles came to Huddersfield in 1963 thousands skipped school. |
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Post by hullenedge on Dec 27, 2017 11:55:34 GMT
Didn't realise it was *that* close! And all that Tory campaigning in Halifax didn't seem terribly productive in the end...... That's being polite and the Halifax Tories are still bitter about the national campaign. With hindsight the Tories selected the wrong candidates for Halifax & Dewsbury. Their Labour opponents soon got their measure. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 12:17:02 GMT
It's Andrea Jenkyns, Morley & Outwood. Labour 'threw in the towel' well before polling day. Their activists went instead to Halifax & Wakefield. Which is frustrating as it should be so winnable for us. Close to activist rich safe seats in Leeds as well, with an MP failing to live up to expectations. Revenge is sorely needed. Dare I say bring back Balls. Hardly surprising that she increased her majority. I remember watching the 2015 declaration on election night. Beautiful. Had the same experience when Salmond lost in 2017. Only this time made £500. |
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Post by Ron Swanson on Dec 27, 2017 15:45:22 GMT
With candidates this is often a significant advantage.  (I haven't tried to work out who this actually is, so it isn't a personal comment against your MP). It's Andrea Jenkyns, Morley & Outwood. Labour 'threw in the towel' well before polling day. Their activists went instead to Halifax & Wakefield. I’d imagine lots of constituency parties in Labour and the tories threw the towel in or went to help elsewhere because they thought they were home or that it was all over. |
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Post by The Bishop on Dec 27, 2017 15:50:35 GMT
Dare I say bring back Balls Nah, lets not. |
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Post by Ron Swanson on Dec 27, 2017 15:51:52 GMT
The other seat referred to in the above post may be Calder Valley (though the Tory majority there in June was actually c600, not 300) It's Pudsey. The Tories in that seat were campaigning in Halifax because it was assumed that Stuart Andrew was 'home and dry'. Tbf to the Pudsey group, they were v active early on in the campaign, one day Stuart Andrew was sent to Leeds North East, which was a target, only to see Fabian Hamilton later more than double his already comfortable majority. In reply to the previous Labour poster (I can’t recall his name and haven’t figured out how to multi quote yet... I think Morley & Outwood generally is moving away from Labour, they’ll always be in contention but I think Jenkyns will take some shifting... if the seat followed a significant UNS Labour would likely make the seat. Parts of the seat are quite ukippy and she was of course a prominent Brexiteer... A Labour candidate of the right... pro Brexit if you can find one, wanting to better the interests of the aspirational working class... would do well there. Not someone wanting to do deals with the Greens on a second referendum, voting against Trident etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 16:09:11 GMT
A John Mann type could take it back.
Generally I think it’ll go the way of Elmet & Rothwell in a generation (although Morley & Outwood is likely to be butchered by the BR).
In the long-term Penistone & Stocksbridge and Rother Valley will go the way of Morley & Outwood imo.
Also Ashfield and Bassetlaw (after Mann retires).
Just my view.
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Post by ccoleman on Dec 27, 2017 16:21:32 GMT
Given the current political climate, Morley and Outwood isn't really a good fit for Labour. It strikes me as a reactionary constituency. It's the only place in Leeds that returned a BNP councillor. Very shameful.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 16:23:08 GMT
Given the current political climate, Morley and Outwood isn't really a good fit for Labour. It strikes me as a reactionary constituency. It's the only place in Leeds that returned a BNP councillor. Very shameful. No. The fact that Labour got closer to taking Putney than winning Morley back says it all. |
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Post by Ron Swanson on Dec 27, 2017 17:22:39 GMT
Given the current political climate, Morley and Outwood isn't really a good fit for Labour. It strikes me as a reactionary constituency. It's the only place in Leeds that returned a BNP councillor. Very shameful. What I would say, is that having spoken to people who lived in the area at the time, he was well known in the town and had done plenty of voluntary stuff that raised his profile, and actually did some work as a councillor, unlike many BNP. I once spoke to one of the green Cllrs for Leeds and apprently he voted with Labour most of the time. I’m not saying that the voters were right to elect a BNP cllr back in 2006 but hey ho. The two towns are nice places, I wouldn’t turn my nose up too much. |
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Post by Ron Swanson on Dec 27, 2017 17:24:23 GMT
A John Mann type could take it back. Generally I think it’ll go the way of Elmet & Rothwell in a generation (although Morley & Outwood is likely to be butchered by the BR). In the long-term Penistone & Stocksbridge and Rother Valley will go the way of Morley & Outwood imo. Also Ashfield and Bassetlaw (after Mann retires). Just my view. John Mann was the name on my lips, actually. Working class areas with aspirational families will go toward the Tories whilst Guardian reading constituencies and those with lots of people who won’t work will go labour. An unholy alliance, one might say. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 17:44:36 GMT
A John Mann type could take it back. Generally I think it’ll go the way of Elmet & Rothwell in a generation (although Morley & Outwood is likely to be butchered by the BR). In the long-term Penistone & Stocksbridge and Rother Valley will go the way of Morley & Outwood imo. Also Ashfield and Bassetlaw (after Mann retires). Just my view. John Mann was the name on my lips, actually. Working class areas with aspirational families will go toward the Tories whilst Guardian reading constituencies and those with lots of people who won’t work will go labour. An unholy alliance, one might say. Just a good MP who shares the views of many of his constituents re Brexit etc. I saw Mann speak in October 2016 and he seemed very genuine. Look at the swing against him compared to the swings in Ashfield and Mansfield. A De Piero type would’ve done a lot worse. Fred Bellenger, Joe Ashton, John Mann. Strong personal votes. |
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Post by finsobruce on Dec 27, 2017 18:13:41 GMT
He's had a complete 180 in terms of popularity, from being nick-named wheres wally for his absence in the constituency to a frequenter of chat shows post Strictly. isn't 180 only half way round?  I think he's having too much fun in his second life to return to his first. |
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Post by ccoleman on Dec 27, 2017 18:19:33 GMT
Given the current political climate, Morley and Outwood isn't really a good fit for Labour. It strikes me as a reactionary constituency. It's the only place in Leeds that returned a BNP councillor. Very shameful. What I would say, is that having spoken to people who lived in the area at the time, he was well known in the town and had done plenty of voluntary stuff that raised his profile, and actually did some work as a councillor, unlike many BNP. I once spoke to one of the green Cllrs for Leeds and apprently he voted with Labour most of the time. I’m not saying that the voters were right to elect a BNP cllr back in 2006 but hey ho. The two towns are nice places, I wouldn’t turn my nose up too much. Morley's not horrible or anything, but it's not fashionable and there has always been a snob factor towards it. I live in North Leeds and people here would turn their noses up at Morley. |
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Post by beastofbedfordshire on Dec 27, 2017 18:29:03 GMT
Is it just the Morely/Leeds part of the seat that doesn't react well to labour or is Outwood/Wakefield bad for them as well?
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Post by ccoleman on Dec 27, 2017 18:48:45 GMT
Not sure myself, neither area voted Conservative locally in 2016. If I had to make a guess I'd say the Outwood end would be more Tory inclined but as I say, that's just a guess.
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(I haven't tried to work out who this actually is, so it isn't a personal comment against your MP). 
