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Post by mick745 on Jun 15, 2017 22:04:28 GMT
This is a breakdown of the 650 MPs elected in 2017 by first Parliament they sat in. There are now 61 of the 243 MPs first elected on 1 May 1997 still sitting, and only 5 who were sitting prior to Margaret Thatcher becoming PM (Margaret Beckett, Peter Bottomley , Geoffrey Robinson, Kenneth Clarke and Dennis Skinner). The number of Members of Parliament elected since 1945 is now 3,233 Parliament First Sat | Elected at GE | Elected at BE | 2017- | 87 | 0 | 2015-2017 | 144 | 9 | 2010-2015 | 160 | 15 | 2005-2010 | 70 | 5 | 2001-2005 | 34 | 1 | 1997-2001 | 61 | 4 | 1992-1997 | 21 | 3 | 1987-1992 | 8 | 1 | 1983-1987 | 14 | 4 | 1979-1983 | 2 | 2 | 1974O-1979 | 1 | 2 | 1974F-1974O | 0 | 0 | 1970-1974F | 2 | 0 |
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Survivors from 1997: Conservatives (20): John Bercow (now Speaker) Crispin Blunt Graham Brady Nick Gibb James Gray Damian Green Dominic Grieve Philip Hammond John Hayes Eleanor Laing Oliver Letwin Julian Lewis Tim Loughton Theresa May Owen Paterson Laurence Robertson Keith Simpson Caroline Spelman Desmond Swayne Robert Syms Labour (37): Ben Bradshaw Karen Buck Alan Campbell Vernon Coaker Yvette Cooper David Crausby John Cryer Geraint Davies David Drew Maria Eagle Clive Efford Louise Ellman Jim Fitzpatrick Caroline Flint Barry Gardiner John Grogan Fabian Hamilton John Healey Stephen Hepburn Kelvin Hopkins Lindsay Hoyle Helen Jones Christopher Leslie Ivan Lewis Gordon Marsden Stephen McCabe Siobhain McDonagh John McDonnell Stephen Pound Chris Ruane Joan Ryan Graham Stringer Gareth Thomas Derek Twigg Stephen Twigg Alan Whitehead Rosie Winterton Lib Dem (3): Tom Brake Vince Cable Ed Davey DUP (1) Jeffrey Donaldson
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Post by Foggy on Jun 16, 2017 16:49:33 GMT
David Drew* Christopher Leslie** Chris Ruane* Stephen Twigg** Vince Cable* Ed Davey* *lost seat and later regained it **lost seat then carpetbagged their way to a safer one There may be more MPs from the class of 1997 that fit into those categories, but I know of the caveat behind those 6 off the top of my head.
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Post by mick745 on Jun 16, 2017 21:42:01 GMT
Yes indeed, not all have had unbroken runs. these 10 have retreaded at some point:
Vince Cable missed the 2015-2017 Parliament John Cryer missed 2005-2010 Ed Davey missed 2015-2017 Geraint Davies missed 2005-2010 David Drew missed 2010-2015 & 2015-2017 John Grogan missed 2010-2015 & 2015-2017 Christopher Leslie missed 2005-2010 Chris Ruane missed 2015-2017 Joan Ryan missed 2010-2015 Stephen Twigg missed 2005-2010
On another note this is the list of the 31 'two year wonders' who were first elected in 2015 but lost seats (or in three cases retired) in 2017. A special mention also to Sarah Olney in Richmond Park who lasted just six months.
Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh Defeated Caroline Ansell Defeated Richard Arkless Defeated James Berry Defeated Victoria Borwick Defeated Phil Boswell Defeated Byron Davies Defeated James Davies Defeated Stuart Donaldson Defeated Flick Drummond Defeated Tom Elliott Defeated Margaret Ferrier Defeated Ben Howlett Defeated George Kerevan Defeated Calum Kerr Defeated Danny Kinahan Defeated David Mackintosh Retired Tania Mathias Defeated Callum McCaig Defeated Natalie McGarry Retired Anne McLaughlin Defeated Paul Monaghan Defeated Roger Mullin Defeated John Nicolson Defeated Kirsten Oswald Defeated Steven Paterson Defeated Amanda Solloway Defeated Owen Thompson Defeated Michelle Thomson Retired Craig Williams Defeated Corri Wilson Defeated
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Post by clyde1998 on Jun 16, 2017 22:30:36 GMT
A couple of similar, but interesting graphs:
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jun 17, 2017 10:15:45 GMT
The effect of Brexit in Wales: In seats that voted REMAIN in 2016 there was a 4.5% swing to Lab (Con +5%, Lab +14%), but in seats that voted LEAVE the swing was only 2.5% to Lab (Con +7%, Lab +12%). Was this the case in every part of the UK (a bigger swing to Lab in REMAIN seats than LEAVE seats)?
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Post by greenhert on Jun 17, 2017 11:14:39 GMT
It certainly was, Harry Hayfield. That is why Labour gained Reading East but not Reading West, Portsmouth South but not Portsmouth North, and so on.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jun 18, 2017 11:05:05 GMT
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jun 18, 2017 11:49:50 GMT
And yet despite all this UKIP carnage, they managed to come third (and a credible third at that) in Thurrock: Con 40% (+6%), Lab 39% (+6%), UKIP 20% (-12%), Lib Dem 1% (unchanged). If there is another general election this year, could Thurrock become the Hartlepool of that election (Lab with UKIP challenging)?
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Post by manchesterman on Jun 18, 2017 17:13:13 GMT
Does anyone have a nice handy spreadsheet of the Lab/Con/LD etc targets post-GE2017 please?
Only site Ive seen that has them is electionpolling.co.uk but their format is messy so hard for me to paste across to my current spreadsheet!
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 18, 2017 17:31:50 GMT
Something quick I knocked up from researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7979/hocl-ge2017-results-summary.csvConservative targets Majority | Winner | Constituency | 0.0 | SNP | Perth and North Perthshire | 0.1 | Lab | Kensington | 0.1 | Lab | Dudley North | 0.1 | Lab | Newcastle-Under-Lyme | 0.1 | Lab | Crewe and Nantwich | 0.3 | Lab | Canterbury | 0.4 | Lab | Barrow and Furness | 0.5 | Lab | Keighley | 0.5 | SNP | Lanark and Hamilton East | 0.9 | Lab | Ashfield | 1.1 | Lab | Stroud | 1.2 | Lab | Bishop Auckland | 1.3 | Lab | Peterborough | 1.4 | LD | Oxford West and Abingdon | 1.5 | LD | Westmorland and Lonsdale | 1.5 | Lab | Colne Valley | 1.6 | Lab | Bedford | 1.6 | Lab | Ipswich | 1.6 | Lab | Stockton South | 2.2 | SNP | Edinburgh South West | 2.2 | Lab | Warwick and Leamington | 2.7 | Lab | Penistone and Stocksbridge | 2.7 | LD | Carshalton and Wallington | 2.8 | SNP | Argyll and Bute | 2.8 | LD | Eastbourne | 2.8 | SNP | Central Ayrshire | 3.2 | Lab | Lincoln | 3.5 | Lab | Portsmouth South | 4.1 | Lab | Warrington South | 4.1 | Lab | Derby North | 4.3 | Lab | High Peak | 4.4 | Lab | Battersea | 4.7 | Lab | Wakefield | 5.2 | Lab | Wolverhampton South West | 5.2 | Lab | Wrexham | 5.6 | Lab | Stoke-On-Trent North | 5.9 | Lab | Dewsbury | 6.1 | Lab | Vale Of Clwyd | 6.6 | LD | Kingston and Surbiton | 6.7 | LD | North Norfolk | 6.8 | Lab | Reading East | 7.2 | Lab | Gower | 7.2 | Lab | Blackpool South | 7.2 | Lab | Great Grimsby | 7.3 | Lab | Darlington | 7.7 | SNP | North Ayrshire and Arran | 7.8 | Lab | Weaver Vale | 7.8 | Lab | Rother Valley | 8.0 | Lab | Cardiff North | 8.4 | Lab | Bolton North East | 8.5 | Lab | Scunthorpe | 8.8 | Lab | Bristol North West | 9.0 | Lab | Enfield, Southgate | 9.1 | Lab | Gedling | 9.1 | Lab | Bury North | 9.3 | Lab | Bassetlaw | 9.3 | SNP | Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch and Strathspey | 9.4 | Lab | Workington | 9.9 | Lab | Croydon Central | 10.1 | Lab | Dagenham and Rainham | 10.5 | Lab | Birmingham, Northfield | 10.8 | Lab | Delyn | 10.9 | Lab | Bridgend | 11.1 | Lab | Halifax | 11.2 | Lab | Don Valley | 11.4 | Lab | Bolsover | 11.5 | LD | Bath | 11.6 | Lab | Clwyd South | 11.7 | Lab | Alyn and Deeside | 11.7 | Lab | Bury South | 11.8 | Lab | Stoke-On-Trent Central | 12.2 | Lab | Wirral West | 12.4 | Lab | West Bromwich West | 12.6 | Lab | Wolverhampton North East | 12.9 | Lab | Hyndburn | 13.0 | Lab | Newport West | 13.3 | Lab | Plymouth, Sutton and Devonport | 13.5 | Lab | Chorley | 13.6 | Lab | Eltham | 14.1 | Lab | Ynys Mon | 14.5 | Lab | Lancaster and Fleetwood | 14.6 | Lab | Sedgefield | 14.7 | LD | Twickenham | 15.3 | Lab | Heywood and Middleton | 15.4 | SNP | Ross, Skye and Lochaber | 15.5 | SNP | Dundee East | 15.8 | Lab | Burnley | 15.9 | Lab | Birmingham, Edgbaston | 16.0 | PC | Dwyfor Meirionnydd | 16.3 | Lab | City Of Chester | 16.3 | Lab | Bradford South | 16.7 | Lab | Batley and Spen | 16.9 | Lab | Coventry South | 17.2 | Lab | Coventry North West | 17.4 | Lab | Oldham East and Saddleworth | 18.2 | Lab | Ilford North | 18.3 | Lab | Hartlepool | 18.4 | Lab | North West Durham | 18.4 | Lab | Worsley and Eccles South | 18.4 | Lab | Wirral South | 18.6 | Lab | Blyth Valley | 19.0 | Lab | Stalybridge and Hyde | 19.6 | Lab | Birmingham, Erdington | 19.7 | Lab | West Bromwich East | 19.7 | Lab | Warrington North | 19.8 | Lab | Brentford and Isleworth |
Labour targets Majority | Winner | Constituency | 0.1 | Con | Southampton, Itchen | 0.2 | SNP | Glasgow South West | 0.2 | SNP | Glasgow East | 0.3 | PC | Arfon | 0.5 | SNP | Airdrie and Shotts | 0.6 | Con | Pudsey | 0.6 | Con | Hastings and Rye | 0.6 | Con | Chipping Barnet | 0.7 | Con | Thurrock | 0.7 | Con | Preseli Pembrokeshire | 0.8 | SNP | Motherwell and Wishaw | 1.0 | SNP | Inverclyde | 1.0 | Con | Calder Valley | 1.1 | Con | Norwich North | 1.6 | Con | Broxtowe | 1.6 | Con | Stoke-On-Trent South | 1.6 | Con | Telford | 1.7 | SNP | Dunfermline and West Fife | 1.8 | Con | Bolton West | 2.0 | Con | Aberconwy | 2.0 | Con | Northampton North | 2.1 | Con | Hendon | 2.1 | Con | Mansfield | 2.1 | Con | Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland | 2.7 | Con | Milton Keynes South | 2.8 | Con | Northampton South | 2.9 | Con | Pendle | 2.9 | SNP | Edinburgh North and Leith | 3.1 | Con | Morecambe and Lunesdale | 3.1 | Con | Milton Keynes North | 3.2 | Con | Finchley and Golders Green | 3.2 | SNP | Glasgow North | 3.3 | Con | Camborne and Redruth | 3.3 | Con | Putney | 3.5 | Con | Harrow East | 3.6 | Con | Watford | 3.9 | Con | Copeland | 4.0 | Con | Morley and Outwood | 4.1 | Con | Vale Of Glamorgan | 4.5 | Con | Corby | 4.5 | SNP | Glasgow South | 4.8 | Con | South Swindon | 4.9 | Con | Worcester | 4.9 | Con | Crawley | 4.9 | Con | Blackpool North and Cleveleys | 5.2 | SNP | West Dunbartonshire | 5.2 | Con | Chingford and Woodford Green | 5.2 | SNP | Linlithgow and East Falkirk | 5.6 | Con | Reading West | 5.6 | SNP | Paisley and Renfrewshire North | 5.7 | Con | North East Derbyshire | 6.0 | Con | Carlisle | 6.1 | Con | Southport | 6.1 | SNP | Paisley and Renfrewshire South | 6.3 | SNP | Glasgow Central | 6.4 | Con | Rossendale and Darwen | 6.6 | SNP | Glasgow North West | 6.7 | Con | Truro and Falmouth | 6.8 | SNP | Na h-Eileanan An Iar | 6.8 | Con | Scarborough and Whitby | 6.8 | Con | Walsall North | 6.9 | Con | Stevenage | 7.1 | SNP | East Kilbride, Strathaven and Lesmahagow | 7.4 | Con | Carmarthen West and South Pembrokeshire | 7.4 | SNP | Livingston | 7.9 | SNP | Edinburgh East | 7.9 | Con | Loughborough | 8.1 | SNP | Glenrothes | 8.1 | Con | Cities Of London and Westminster | 8.3 | Con | Filton and Bradley Stoke | 8.5 | Con | Clwyd West | 8.8 | Con | Shipley | 9.1 | Con | Erewash | 9.1 | SNP | Falkirk | 9.5 | PC | Carmarthen East and Dinefwr | 9.6 | Con | East Worthing and Shoreham | 9.7 | SNP | Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East | 9.7 | Con | Sherwood | 10.2 | Con | Gloucester | 10.3 | Con | Nuneaton | 10.6 | Con | Colchester | 10.8 | Con | Uxbridge and South Ruislip | 10.9 | Con | Wimbledon | 11.1 | Con | Plymouth, Moor View | 11.3 | SNP | Aberdeen North | 11.4 | Con | Shrewsbury and Atcham | 11.7 | Con | Rochford and Southend East | 11.8 | Con | Halesowen and Rowley Regis | 12.2 | Con | Altrincham and Sale West | 12.3 | Con | Wycombe | 12.4 | Con | Dover | 12.8 | Con | South Thanet | 13.5 | SNP | Kilmarnock and Loudoun | 13.5 | Con | South Ribble | 13.6 | SNP | Dundee West | 13.7 | Con | Rushcliffe | 14.3 | Con | Welwyn Hatfield | 14.4 | Con | York Outer | 14.9 | Con | Stafford | 15.2 | Con | North Swindon | 15.4 | Con | Kingswood | 15.7 | Con | Harlow | 15.9 | Con | Macclesfield | 16.0 | Con | Rugby | 16.2 | Con | Stourbridge | 16.3 | Con | Redditch | 16.3 | Con | Bournemouth East | 16.5 | Con | Elmet and Rothwell | 16.5 | Con | Monmouth | 16.9 | Con | Basingstoke | 17.3 | Con | Bournemouth West | 17.5 | Con | Waveney | 17.5 | Con | Cannock Chase | 18.0 | Con | North Warwickshire | 18.1 | Con | Great Yarmouth | 18.1 | Con | Hemel Hempstead | 18.1 | Con | Amber Valley | 18.3 | Con | Rochester and Strood | 18.4 | Con | Forest Of Dean | 18.6 | Con | Croydon South | 18.9 | Con | North East Somerset | 19.1 | Con | Gravesham | 19.3 | Con | Gillingham and Rainham | 19.3 | Con | The Wrekin | 19.4 | Con | Chelsea and Fulham |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jun 18, 2017 18:16:31 GMT
Which means that in order to win the next election, Labour need to ensure a 3.7% swing from Con (that means a national Con lead of 2% becomes a national Lab lead of 5%) but giving the polling fail we have at this election, that will be reflected in the polls as a Labour lead of 10% or greater.
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Post by manchesterman on Jun 18, 2017 19:44:03 GMT
Thanks David. Appreciate the quick reply. Does anyone have it organised into an excel spreadsheet? It isn't letting me copy the info across smoothly from here to excel for some reason?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 21:26:33 GMT
Amused that North Warwickshire is now as strong for the Tories as Chelsea and Fulham.
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Post by Andrew_S on Jun 18, 2017 21:46:27 GMT
Labour got less than 10,000 votes in just 33 constituencies in England:
Eastbourne 4,671 Westmorland & Lonsdale 4,783 Norfolk North 5,180 Cheltenham 5,408 Richmond Park 5,773 Winchester 6,007 Lewes 6,060 Thornbury & Yate 6,112 Twickenham 6,114 Cornwall North 6,151 Dorset Mid & Poole North 6,423 Devon East 6,857 Devon North 7,063 Wells 7,129 Bath 7,279 St Ives 7,298 Yeovil 7,418 Oxford West & Abingdon 7,573 Surrey South West 7,606 Mole Valley 7,864 Newbury 8,596 Hazel Grove 9,036 Kingston & Surbiton 9,203 Torbay 9,310 Carshalton & Wallington 9,360 Wiltshire North 9,399 Hampshire East 9,411 Herefordshire North 9,495 Romsey & Southampton North 9,614 Taunton Deane 9,689 New Forest West 9,739 Meon Valley 9,932 Hampshire North East 9,982
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Post by minionofmidas on Jun 20, 2017 18:32:50 GMT
Labour's vote remains the most effectively distributed of the three main parties in Scotland and the SNP's the least, and to an insane degree. Apply a uniform swing to thursday's results to make the three parties exactly equal - perhaps not that farfetched if there's new elections soon - and you come out with 30 seats for Labour vs 6 for the SNP (18 Tories, 5 LDs). They're very different seats from what the SNP used to represent, of course - two in Dundee, two in the Highlands, Aberdeen N and Kilmarnock & Loudoun.
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Post by Foggy on Jun 20, 2017 22:53:06 GMT
Labour got less fewer than 10,000 votes in just 33 constituencies in England: Eastbourne 4,671 Thornbury & Yate 6,112 Devon East 6,857 Wells 7,129 Newbury 8,596 Taunton Deane 9,689 Three seats I've lived in and three more to which I have close family links.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 20, 2017 22:57:19 GMT
'Less' with things measured by amount and 'fewer' with things measured by counting is a purely arbitrary and invented custom and isn't a rule in English grammar.
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Post by clyde1998 on Jun 20, 2017 23:01:34 GMT
Labour got less than 10,000 votes in just 33 constituencies in England: Newbury 8,596 My constituency. Labour actually had their best result here since 1979 (in percentage terms, at least) and managed a double digit percentage for the first time since then, for some context - just showing how badly they've done here in the last few decades. Whether this hints at a long term revival here or not is yet to be seen.
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Post by Foggy on Jun 20, 2017 23:11:50 GMT
'Less' with things measured by amount and 'fewer' with things measured by counting is a purely arbitrary and invented custom and isn't a rule in English grammar. Of all the arbitrary and invented customs, I find it the most useful one. The English language is wonderfully open and flexible, so of course someone who uses 'less' before a countable noun will invariably be understood, but I do consider it a measure of accuracy of thought when someone can show that their mind makes the distinction between mass and count nouns. That was my edit to the post, anyhow. I originally replied just to show how I've always been based in places where people are wise enough to see – at best – very limited appeal in the Labour Party.
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Post by johnloony on Jun 21, 2017 0:40:51 GMT
'Less' with things measured by amount and 'fewer' with things measured by counting is a purely arbitrary and invented custom and isn't a rule in English grammar. Perhaps we should apply, to the details of grammatical correctness, the constitutional doctrine of Professor J.A.G. Griffith that "the constitution is what happens". Thus, any custom can become a "rule" if enough pedants and grammarians say so and insist on it, regardless of the existence or otherwise of historical roots and references to back it up. It's a bit like the invention in the 19th century of an ancient culture of Welsh bards and druids, the resurrection of the Cornish language, or the addition of the letter P to the word "ptarmigan".
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