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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 10, 2017 22:56:14 GMT
Why do Green women the world over always have to look so much like Green women? Mrs.Lunacek looks like a typical androphob lesbian. Mrs.Felipe - lesbian, too - is pretty, though. Also their leader until spring, Mrs.Glawischnigg. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 11, 2017 22:42:53 GMT
PublicBroadcaster ORF held the last duel, Kern vs. Kurz.
With their strong left bias they avoided the causa Silberstein or MassImmigration.
Kern was better, aggressive, but not too much (as on SunDay at Puls4).
Kern:Kurz (better according to NewsPaper-forums)
48:52 for ~5.000 "Kurier"-readers
18:82 for an unknown number of "Österreich"-readers
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Post by Foggy on Oct 11, 2017 23:08:55 GMT
PublicBroadcaster ORF held the last duel, Kern vs. Kurz. With their strong left bias they avoided the causa Silberstein or MassImmigration. Kern was better, aggressive, but not too much (as on SunDay at Puls4). Kern:Kurz (better according to NewsPaper-forums) 48:52 for ~5.000 "Kurier"-readers 18:82 for an unknown number of "Österreich"-readers Whilst the state broadcaster might well have its biases, I think another reason they might have avoided those topics is that they've been done to death already at previous debates (I have read a transcript of one of the earlier ones). The Kurier is a much more respectable publication than ' Österreich'.  |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 12, 2017 8:33:27 GMT
PublicBroadcaster ORF held the last duel, Kern vs. Kurz. With their strong left bias they avoided the causa Silberstein or MassImmigration. Kern was better, aggressive, but not too much (as on SunDay at Puls4). Kern:Kurz (better according to NewsPaper-forums) 48:52 for ~5.000 "Kurier"-readers 18:82 for an unknown number of "Österreich"-readers Whilst the state broadcaster might well have its biases, I think another reason they might have avoided those topics is that they've been done to death already at previous debates (I have read a transcript of one of the earlier ones). The Kurier is a much more respectable publication than ' Österreich'. But to ignore them entirely annoyed many on ReaderForums - who partly hadn't seen the debates on private channels - and was very helpful for Kern, also the focus on SocialPolicies. Formerly it came out, that the ORF-moderator, who handled Kurz badly, had been on vacation with Kern... As You understand german, You find much information at www.orf-watch.at. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 12, 2017 20:30:55 GMT
In today's final discussion all candidates remained quite unconcrete.
50% of "Kurier"- and "Österreich"-readers voted for Kurz as having performed best
30% of "Österreich"-ForumAttenders elected Strache
18% of "Kurier"-fellowers opted for Kern and 15% for Strolz (NEOS)
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 12, 2017 20:33:50 GMT
Kern claimed to expect ÖVP&FPÖ...
Kurz claimed to expect SPÖ&FPÖ...
Strache claimed to expect ÖVP&SPÖ or SPÖ&ÖVP...
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Post by AdminSTB on Oct 12, 2017 21:36:14 GMT
I think after some dancing around it will be SPÖVP as usual.
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Post by An Sionnach Flannbhuí on Oct 12, 2017 21:43:19 GMT
All hail the great democracy! All hail the coalition of the two supposed rivals!
What's the point? May as well hail the grand Proporz forever.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 13, 2017 21:12:20 GMT
After Kurz meant, that Strache and he would rival for Chancellorship and different rumors (exPresidentialCandidate Hofer seeing FPÖ storming towards the FirstPlace), a random pollster ("Meinungsraum") came out with:
29 FPÖ
27 ÖVP
20 SPÖ
Not impossible, but let us remain cautious!
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 14, 2017 18:53:30 GMT
I think after some dancing around it will be SPÖVP as usual. Certain lobbies - President v.d.Bellen, Economy, TradeUnions aso. - will push for it. But the public is deeply upset by this constellation, SPÖ's LeftWing would revolt from the very beginning, so I'd put the likelihood far behind ÖVP&FPÖ (who constructed quasi identical platforms for this election), perhaps even behind SPÖ&FPÖ (if the latter will have a sufficient SeatMajority). |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 14, 2017 20:34:55 GMT
My guess - relying on the normal OpinionPolls - is:
31 ÖVP
27 FPÖ
23 SPÖ
06 GREENS
05 NEOS
05 Pilz
03 others
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Post by mboy on Oct 15, 2017 9:23:28 GMT
When will the results start coming?
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 15, 2017 9:35:02 GMT
When will the results start coming? At 17.00 MET, so 16.00 GMT. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 15, 2017 9:49:09 GMT
OfficialResults provided by the HomeOffice: www.wahl17.bmi.gv.atLiveStreams of PublicBroadcaster ORF2 and private ServusTV can be found at www.oklivetv.comThe private channel ATV under www.live.atv.at , Puls4 vide www.puls4.com/live-551I hope, that these links work abroad as well. Most PollingStations will have closed hour(s) before; but the InteriorMinistry is since 2016 no longer allowed to distribute the data before the last PollingStations close to the TeleVision-channels. As a result we'll have to wait some minutes. |
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Post by mboy on Oct 15, 2017 9:55:40 GMT
When will the results start coming? At 17.00 MET, so 16.00 GMT. But we are still on BST (GMT+1), so 5pm?  |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 15, 2017 11:48:15 GMT
The "Kurier" reports a tightening between ÖVP and ... no, not FPÖ (s.a.), but SPÖ in the InternalPolls of the last few days.
Kern claimed this in his final rally yesterday, too.
So ÖVP is expecting and the 2 others are hoping for "victory", i.e. the RelativeMajority. (The FPÖ has rented a large hall for its "victory"-party.)
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 15, 2017 14:13:13 GMT
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 15, 2017 14:46:55 GMT
Slightly different to the past of the GermanNationals... |
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Post by AdminSTB on Oct 15, 2017 15:07:32 GMT
One exit poll/prognosis so far is ÖVP 31, FPÖ 29, SPÖ 25, NEOS 6, GRÜ 4, PILZ 4
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Post by AdminSTB on Oct 15, 2017 15:12:14 GMT
ORF has SPO 26,3 OVP 30,2 FPO 26,8 GRÜ 4,9 NEOS 5,3 PILZ 4,3
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