|
Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 21, 2017 18:05:54 GMT
As to why I am such a big fan of Jeremy Corbyn, it is because I admire his integrity and honesty. You mean like faking photos of him sitting on overcrowded trains, "dealing with" existing student loans or the terrible way he dealt with Thangam Debbonaire. IMO Corbyn's a machine politician who works very hard to maintain his 'authentic' image. The photos weren't faked. He was definitely sitting on the floor! Whether he was sitting there by choice or of need however ...
|
|
|
Post by anthony on Aug 21, 2017 19:02:00 GMT
It was because I saw the 3 examples of Corbyn duplicity as rather minor so thought that a more serious example of his misbehaviour should be offered. I didn't particularly feel they were serious per se, more that Corbyn's honesty and integrity is no more or less than any politician. Indeed, the train stunt shows that his "man of the people" image is well worked at, as befitting a professional politician of 30+ years standing. Similarly, his careful words on both fees and Brexit were deliberately ambiguous, so that you could posit whatever meaning on them you so desired. He was - indeed - acting as many people feel politicians are wont to.
|
|
albion
Non-Aligned
Posts: 1,270
|
Post by albion on Aug 21, 2017 19:28:40 GMT
When MSM is mentioned in this context one is thinking of more than just the local newspaper. But yeah, this is a discussion best taken elsewhere. Not sure why the local newspaper does not count when there is a long tradition of scandal being exposed by such papers. I recall the Stephen Downing miscarriage of justice, which was only exposed because of the efforts of Don Hale, editor of the Matlock Mercury. As for taking the discussion elsewhere; I have the distinct impression that there is a preference for avoiding this issue. I have raised it on another thread when the opportunity presented and think my best approach is to do so whenever it seems relevant. I do understand why the Labour Party want to avoid the issue, given that other parties have done the same with similar matters.
|
|
|
Post by carlton43 on Aug 21, 2017 21:45:44 GMT
The train incident was a bit naughty. But Jeremy was trying to point out a valid problem with overcrowding on trains - the fact that the actual train on which he was travelling was not overcrowded does not change the fact that there are many train services in England which are ridiculously overcrowded. As a railway nerd (yes, I am believe it or not - rare on here I know) and an ex-railwayman there were a number of points which annoyed me about his stunt. 1. If you're going to film on an overcrowded train then find one (there are - jigger assures us - "many .. which are ridiculously overcrowded"); 2. Heading for a train to film such a piece on the basis of "well, if it's not full we'll just pretend" is pure cynicism; 3. Doing it on one of the most image-conscious operators (Stagecoach/Virgin) shows a lack of awareness; 4. Constantly switching your explanation shows further cynicism - "couldn't get two seats together/ got offered a seat so let my wife had it/ all the seats were reserved/ the seats which look empty were all occupied by children, short people, bags of people who'd gone to the loo etc etc etc "; 5. Problem identified - what's the solution? Nationalisation ? How does that allow you to run longer or more frequent trains? 6. And then he wants lower fares? How does that work? So ... honesty? Integrity? As an ex-railwayman "...there were a number if points which annoyed me."
Don't you feel you should switch terminology for a better turnout?
|
|
|
Post by tiberius on Aug 22, 2017 20:57:23 GMT
I am a Yank who lives in Texas. I long have liked British politics and culture, and have a wide of interests. I like a ton of sports and TV shows. Politically I'm an anti-nationalist and moderate Unionist. However I don't think I could ever bring myself to vote Tory though, since I'm left-leaning on economics (not to mention too Eurospectic for my tastes).
|
|
Jack
Reform Party
Posts: 8,123
|
Post by Jack on Aug 22, 2017 21:01:27 GMT
I am a Yank who lives in Texas. I long have liked British politics and culture, and have a wide of interests. I like a ton of sports and TV shows. Politically I'm an anti-nationalist and moderate Unionist. However I don't think I could ever bring myself to vote Tory though, since I'm left-leaning on economics (not to mention too Eurospectic for my tastes). Aww, you were doing so well for the first few sentences. Welcome!
|
|
|
Post by tiberius on Aug 22, 2017 21:03:50 GMT
I am a Yank who lives in Texas. I long have liked British politics and culture, and have a wide of interests. I like a ton of sports and TV shows. Politically I'm an anti-nationalist and moderate Unionist. However I don't think I could ever bring myself to vote Tory though, since I'm left-leaning on economics (not to mention too Eurospectic for my tastes). Aww, you were doing so well for the first few sentences. Welcome! Thx. Oh and, you disapprove of me being a moderate Unionist? You said 'first few sentences'. My Fourth sentence though... I kid.
|
|
|
Post by finsobruce on Aug 22, 2017 21:06:24 GMT
I am a Yank who lives in Texas. I long have liked British politics and culture, and have a wide of interests. I like a ton of sports and TV shows. Politically I'm an anti-nationalist and moderate Unionist. However I don't think I could ever bring myself to vote Tory though, since I'm left-leaning on economics (not to mention too Eurospectic for my tastes). Welcome Tiberius - so long as you aren't followed by Caligula.
|
|
|
Post by tiberius on Aug 22, 2017 21:09:41 GMT
I am a Yank who lives in Texas. I long have liked British politics and culture, and have a wide of interests. I like a ton of sports and TV shows. Politically I'm an anti-nationalist and moderate Unionist. However I don't think I could ever bring myself to vote Tory though, since I'm left-leaning on economics (not to mention too Eurospectic for my tastes). Welcome Tiberius - so long as you aren't followed by Caligula. it's not actually a reference to Tiberius the Roman Emperor. Captain Kirk in Star Trek bore the name Tiberius. EDIT: Howdy, I've got a good avatar now, partner. Had to spend some time tinkering with it, y'all. Does anyone talk like that in the UK?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 21:12:32 GMT
Welcome Tiberius - so long as you aren't followed by Caligula. it's not actually a reference to Tiberius the Roman Emperor. Captain Kirk in Star Trek bore the name Tiberius. "live long and prosper"
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 21:14:03 GMT
As to why I am such a big fan of Jeremy Corbyn, it is because I admire his integrity and honesty. You mean like faking photos of him sitting on overcrowded trains, "dealing with" existing student loans or the terrible way he dealt with Thangam Debbonaire. IMO Corbyn's a machine politician who works very hard to maintain his 'authentic' image. And the LibDems have never faked a photo opportunity then?
|
|
|
Post by tiberius on Aug 22, 2017 21:20:03 GMT
it's not actually a reference to Tiberius the Roman Emperor. Captain Kirk in Star Trek bore the name Tiberius. "live long and prosper" I have loved Star Trek and Doctor Who for more than a decade. Mark me down as a scifi fan.
|
|
|
Post by Adam in Stroud on Aug 22, 2017 21:24:02 GMT
Welcome Tiberius - so long as you aren't followed by Caligula. it's not actually a reference to Tiberius the Roman Emperor. Captain Kirk in Star Trek bore the name Tiberius. EDIT: Howdy, I've got a good avatar now, partner. Had to spend some time tinkering with it, y'all. Does anyone talk like that in the UK? Well, thats helpful, I don't think we mind if you're followed by Jean-Luc. Makes me wonder why the hell Roddenbury thought Tiberius was such a great name - not the worst Emperor but he had issues. I'd have gone for Trajan if he wanted a T.
|
|
|
Post by tiberius on Aug 22, 2017 21:26:13 GMT
it's not actually a reference to Tiberius the Roman Emperor. Captain Kirk in Star Trek bore the name Tiberius. EDIT: Howdy, I've got a good avatar now, partner. Had to spend some time tinkering with it, y'all. Does anyone talk like that in the UK? Well, thats helpful, I don't think we mind if you're followed by Jean-Luc. Makes me wonder why the hell Roddenbury thought Tiberius was such a great name - not the worst Emperor but he had issues. I'd have gone for Trajan if he wanted a T. maybe because Tiberius has a 'cool' vibe to it? scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/139981/why-was-the-character-of-captain-kirk-given-the-middle-name-tiberiusOk here is a link that might be useful.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 21:26:44 GMT
I have loved Star Trek and Doctor Who for more than a decade. Mark me down as a scifi fan. I was a fan of the first series of Star Trek, and the films! Doctor was my fav in the 1970s when Tom Baker was the Doctor, but the recent series haven't done so bad. But I like sci fi of all sorts from Bladerunner to Alien
|
|
|
Post by Adam in Stroud on Aug 22, 2017 21:27:57 GMT
You mean like faking photos of him sitting on overcrowded trains, "dealing with" existing student loans or the terrible way he dealt with Thangam Debbonaire. IMO Corbyn's a machine politician who works very hard to maintain his 'authentic' image. And the LibDems have never faked a photo opportunity then? We don't even have photo-opportunites. We don't even have a camera.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 21:28:26 GMT
it's not actually a reference to Tiberius the Roman Emperor. Captain Kirk in Star Trek bore the name Tiberius. EDIT: Howdy, I've got a good avatar now, partner. Had to spend some time tinkering with it, y'all. Does anyone talk like that in the UK? Well, thats helpful, I don't think we mind if you're followed by Jean-Luc. Makes me wonder why the hell Roddenbury thought Tiberius was such a great name - not the worst Emperor but he had issues. I'd have gone for Trajan if he wanted a T. I don't think James Trajan Kirk would have worked
|
|
|
Post by finsobruce on Aug 22, 2017 21:36:38 GMT
Well, thats helpful, I don't think we mind if you're followed by Jean-Luc. Makes me wonder why the hell Roddenbury thought Tiberius was such a great name - not the worst Emperor but he had issues. I'd have gone for Trajan if he wanted a T. I don't think James Trajan Kirk would have worked Titus?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 21:44:05 GMT
I don't think James Trajan Kirk would have worked Titus? James Augustus Kirk James Vespasian Kirk James Nero Kirk James Hadrian Kirk James Commodus Kirk James Constantine Kirk?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 21:48:35 GMT
True, though some names are cool even if they don't stand for anything, for example Harry S Truman
|
|