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Post by Yaffles on May 4, 2024 19:30:49 GMT
Bathams > Holdens imho Cracking win for Labour though, under difficult circumstances. This needn’t have been so close. I agree re Bathams v Holdens, but the surname Batham doesn't have any Tory connotations Holdens Mild is really good actually but so is Bathams They are both wonderful much like this election result
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Post by Jack on May 4, 2024 19:32:39 GMT
BBC are reporting it as under 1k majority, full recount surely 🤔 Please no. This has gone on long enough.
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Post by r34t on May 4, 2024 19:32:53 GMT
BBC are reporting it as under 1k majority, full recount surely 🤔 If there is no concern from most of the count centres, there is no need. Didn’t I read somewhere the record is about a dozen, with the numbers getting narrower & narrower 🤔
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Post by iainbhx on May 4, 2024 19:33:18 GMT
I'd love it if we had ward breakdowns for Brum. I have telling from the verification but not allowed to share it with you. It’s about as entertaining as you may imagine. So which councillors can we expect to see wearing nothing but Palestinian flags soon?
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Post by andrewp on May 4, 2024 19:35:39 GMT
John Curtice mentions that the Cons asked for the recount. BBC journalist asks why is that significant. He explains that the party in second place normally asks for it. Ah, the quality of political journalism in this great democracy of ours ...... I have been quite busy over the last day or 2 which may be a blessing in disguise, but I’ve watched a bit of Sky and BBC and the coverage has been poor. It’s at times like this that I really appreciate this forum, which is better in all ways in election coverage and analysis than the news channels. I think the problem is that journalists who are interested in, and work in politics, are not necessarily journalists who understand elections. The lady at the Sky results board was particularly out of her depth and one of my pet hates is describing a council as a ‘seat’. Talking about the Labour gain of Redditch council as having gained the seat from the Tories. I would also say that I saw at least 6 MPs of all parties on the results programmes and without exception I just continually wanted to correct them- their understanding of local elections seemed questionable. Watching these programmes is so annoying- the code that gets trotted out by MPs time and again The interviewer saying why haven’t you done better- which is almost always the question. The answer is always a) yeah but what about the other council over there where we made a gain b) Well that other party didn’t do as well as they should have c) We always knew it would be difficult. And repeat year after year.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 4, 2024 19:38:38 GMT
d one of my pet hates is describing a council as a ‘seat’. Talking about the Labour gain of Redditch council as having gained the seat from the Tories. This totally!
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Post by aargauer on May 4, 2024 19:40:23 GMT
BBC are reporting it as under 1k majority, full recount surely 🤔 Depends on how much under 1000. I
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Post by ricmk on May 4, 2024 19:51:27 GMT
Election Maps says: 🌹 Parker (LAB): 37.8% (-1.9) 🌳 Street (CON): 37.5% (-11.2) 🙋 Yakoob (IND): 11.7% (New) ➡️ Williams (RFM): 5.8% (+3.6) 🌍 Harper-Nunes (GRN): 5.2% (-0.6) 🔶 Virk (LDM): 2.0% (-1.5)
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Post by r34t on May 4, 2024 19:54:12 GMT
So the Tories are now saying it was down to a crap campaign, Street to take the blame.
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Post by Foggy on May 4, 2024 19:55:02 GMT
Ah, the quality of political journalism in this great democracy of ours ...... I have been quite busy over the last day or 2 which may be a blessing in disguise, but I’ve watched a bit of Sky and BBC and the coverage has been poor. It’s at times like this that I really appreciate this forum, which is better in all ways in election coverage and analysis than the news channels. I think the problem is that journalists who are interested in, and work in politics, are not necessarily journalists who understand elections. The lady at the Sky results board was particularly out of her depth and one of my pet hates is describing a council as a ‘seat’. Talking about the Labour gain of Redditch council as having gained the seat from the Tories. I would also say that I saw at least 6 MPs of all parties on the results programmes and without exception I just continually wanted to correct them- their understanding of local elections seemed questionable. Watching these programmes is so annoying- the code that gets trotted out by MPs time and again The interviewer saying why haven’t you done better- which is almost always the question. The answer is always a) yeah but what about the other council over there where we made a gain b) Well that other party didn’t do as well as they should have c) We always knew it would be difficult. And repeat year after year. And right now Beth Rigby claiming Labour have won Sandwell by 1.5k when she means that's the margin across Metro WM. If that were accurate then Street would've won. Earlier she described one of the mayoralties as a seat (to be fair I guess there's a chair in the office, but that's not what's usually meant) too and the whole of the city of Birmingham as a ward. Then again, we might make similar errors if live on TV for hours with little sleep. But these are meant to be experienced political journalists. And they get paid for it.
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Post by iainbhx on May 4, 2024 19:55:38 GMT
So the Tories are now saying it was down to a crap campaign, Street to take the blame. Well, it wouldn't be their fault would it. At least the Tories had a campaign.
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Post by r34t on May 4, 2024 19:57:17 GMT
1508 it is then
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Post by Disgusted Of Tunbridge Wells on May 4, 2024 20:01:51 GMT
Richard Parker's speech came across as respectful and dignified. It was a fitting tribute to Andy Street and I think he handled it quite well.
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Post by finsobruce on May 4, 2024 20:05:10 GMT
If there is no concern from most of the count centres, there is no need. Didn’t I read somewhere the record is about a dozen, with the numbers getting narrower & narrower 🤔 If you mean parliamentary elections I think it is seven, which has happened on three occasions:
North East Derbyshire (1922) Lab gain from Ind Liberal (apparently three recounts and four 'adjustments')
Brighton Kempton (1964) Lab gain from Conservative Peterborough (1966) Conservative hold
Not sure if any of these is the one you are thinking about as the Brighton Kemptown and Peterborough results saw the winner switching , rather than the majority reducing each time. Of these two Kemptown sounds closest to your scenario with Denis Hobden's majority going 302, 38 , then 1 to the Tory MP David James, 29,10, 6,7 .
James had made two escape attempts (one successful) from Prisoner of War camps in WWII but couldn't repeat the trick in 1964. Later MP for North Dorset (1970-79)
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Post by John Chanin on May 4, 2024 20:23:45 GMT
would be nice to see the Sandwell result. I have
Parker 31,561 Street 18,598 Yakoob 7,026 Williams 4,347 Harper-Nunes 2,722 Virk 1,201
Overall figures
Parker 225,590 Street 224,082 Yakoob 69,621 Williams 34,471 Harper-Nunes 31,036 Virk 12,176
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Post by andrea on May 4, 2024 20:24:44 GMT
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Post by mboy on May 4, 2024 20:29:39 GMT
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Post by The Bishop on May 4, 2024 20:31:07 GMT
Some are now mocking Labour "sources" for conceding defeat yesterday - but they clearly had an idea of how well Yakoob had done (something the polls failed to fully pick up btw) and their thus presuming it would be very hard if not impossible for Parker to win made total sense.
Andy Street seems to have reacted to defeat rather better than Susan Hall too, even if it must be much more agonising for him on both a personal and electoral level.
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Post by mattbewilson on May 4, 2024 20:37:39 GMT
Some are now mocking Labour "sources" for conceding defeat yesterday - but they clearly had an idea of how well Yakoob had done (something the polls failed to fully pick up btw) and their thus presuming it would be very hard if not impossible for Parker to win made total sense. Andy Street seems to have reacted to defeat rather better than Susan Hall too, even if it must be much more agonising for him on both a personal and electoral level. surely it was what the source said that was a problem not the fact they conceded defeat
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Post by batman on May 4, 2024 20:40:25 GMT
Richard Parker's speech came across as respectful and dignified. It was a fitting tribute to Andy Street and I think he handled it quite well. Street's speech was also respectful & dignified.
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