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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 18, 2017 21:30:51 GMT
A byelection writ commands the Returning Officer to cause election to be made according to law of a Member to serve in Parliament. If there is no Parliament, that writ has no function.
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Post by Khunanup on Apr 18, 2017 21:37:51 GMT
A byelection writ commands the Returning Officer to cause election to be made according to law of a Member to serve in Parliament. If there is no Parliament, that writ has no function. Which means what? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 18, 2017 21:43:29 GMT
The writ is of no effect once Parliament is dissolved. It's really quite simple.
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Post by Khunanup on Apr 18, 2017 22:04:49 GMT
The writ is of no effect once Parliament is dissolved. It's really quite simple. So will the by-election happen or not David? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 18, 2017 22:13:16 GMT
By all previous precedent, any byelection process stops immediately once Parliament is dissolved. I don't know why anyone is suggesting there is any uncertainty in what I'm saying here.
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Post by manchesterman on Apr 18, 2017 22:15:52 GMT
I dont see any way the by-election can take place given what David has said
edit: David's just confirmed as above
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Post by andrew111 on Apr 18, 2017 22:23:59 GMT
By all previous precedent, any byelection process stops immediately once Parliament is dissolved. I don't know why anyone is suggesting there is any uncertainty in what I'm saying here. Is the by-election process allowed to stop BEFORE Parliament is dissolved - that is the question! If the by-election can be put off on til June Wednesday afternoon assuming Theresa and Jeremy persuade enough Labour MPs to commit hari kiri, it will not be too bad Cancelling at the moment the writ is served would be a complete mess... In between there are graduations of mess related mainly to postal votes |
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Post by andrewteale on Apr 18, 2017 22:29:04 GMT
It's worth pointing out here that the voters of Gorton will be going to the polls on 4th May no matter what, because of the Greater Manchester mayoral election and a council by-election in Rusholme ward.
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Post by Khunanup on Apr 18, 2017 23:51:56 GMT
By all previous precedent, any byelection process stops immediately once Parliament is dissolved. I don't know why anyone is suggesting there is any uncertainty in what I'm saying here. Thank-you David. You could have just said that in the first place... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 0:01:27 GMT
We could add the word "cancelled" to the thread title, just to end any confusion.
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Post by Andrew_S on Apr 19, 2017 0:03:50 GMT
We could add the word "cancelled" to the thread title, just to end any confusion. Done. |
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Post by froome on Apr 19, 2017 2:01:28 GMT
I wonder whether Manchester City Council had posted out all their postal ballot papers just before they heard the news about the GE? If so, they won't be happy!
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Post by AdminSTB on Apr 19, 2017 5:25:28 GMT
We could add the word "cancelled" to the thread title, just to end any confusion. i'm not sure we should yet to be honest. It makes sense that it should be but it will depend on the actual date of dissolution. |
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Post by John Chanin on Apr 19, 2017 6:59:02 GMT
Surely if Labour decide NOT to support the dissolution, it will take the Conservatives a few weeks to achieve it, in which case the by-election will have to go ahead.
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Post by peterl on Apr 19, 2017 7:12:02 GMT
I would certainly think the returning officer will not take any action to stop the process without official confirmation that it is cancelled. If for any reason the GE doesn't go ahead on June 8th he could really end up with egg on his face if he acted on his own now.
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Post by cogload on Apr 19, 2017 7:44:15 GMT
Cancelled? Leopard on the line, Chessington South.
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Post by yellowperil on Apr 19, 2017 8:01:13 GMT
Ah well, it was beginning to look as if the Lib Dems would win Gorton if given just a little more time...could they still win it on June 8th?  Along with Withington, Cheadle to make a little block? All that by-election work is not necessarily lost even if the by-election is indeed cancelled. |
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Post by andrew111 on Apr 19, 2017 8:48:29 GMT
Surely if Labour decide NOT to support the dissolution, it will take the Conservatives a few weeks to achieve it, in which case the by-election will have to go ahead. That would require Jeremy Corbyn to show a tiny shred of political nous. He has the chance to really hang Theresa May out to dry on this, simply by Labour abstaining. He could move a motion of no confidence at the same time, or simply put the ball in her court - does she repeal the FTPA for naked political advantage? Or does she call a vote of no confidence in herself? Absolute Catch-22. Where I live in Dewsbury there has been no sign of any local political activity from Labour since last May (including the referendum campaign). I am in a Tory ward and I cant actually recall if I got a Labour leaflet. No way the Labour Party is ready to defend this marginal seat in a snap General Election... |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 19, 2017 9:29:45 GMT
Ah well, it was beginning to look as if the Lib Dems would win Gorton if given just a little more time...could they still win it on June 8th? Along with Withington, Cheadle to make a little block? All that by-election work is not necessarily lost even if the by-election is indeed cancelled. The by-election work might have a spillover into Withington, but it's not really anything to do with Cheadle- they might be contiguous in a constituency sense, but the settlements are separated by a river, a motorway and a freight railway, and are in different boroughs. It might well have diverted resources- understandably of course. I'm reasonably sure that the LDs will take back Cheadle anyway. |
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Post by andrew111 on Apr 19, 2017 10:50:54 GMT
Ah well, it was beginning to look as if the Lib Dems would win Gorton if given just a little more time...could they still win it on June 8th? Along with Withington, Cheadle to make a little block? All that by-election work is not necessarily lost even if the by-election is indeed cancelled. The by-election work might have a spillover into Withington, but it's not really anything to do with Cheadle- they might be contiguous in a constituency sense, but the settlements are separated by a river, a motorway and a freight railway, and are in different boroughs. It might well have diverted resources- understandably of course. I'm reasonably sure that the LDs will take back Cheadle anyway. I think the Lib Dems have some difficult choices to make between Gorton, Withington, Cheadle, Hazel Grove, Burnley and Southport. Gorton has been getting the by-election treatment that none of the others have. Withington is still in the early stages of rebuilding I would say. Cheadle looks like they might be choosing a new PPC (from their website) to replace Mark Hunter who is very quiet. Lisa Smart is standing again in Hazel Grove and is pretty active. Birtwhistle is still around in Burnley but the local Party seems to be split. Southport Lib dems and John Pugh are active (except for their twitter account where the last tweet is from 2014!) They should hold Southport by squeezing Labour but it will be close if the Kippers go back to the Tories. I would not expect any gains unless the poll position changes quite a lot. Hazel Grove may be the best shot |
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