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Post by jonnymorris on Feb 23, 2017 23:20:35 GMT
LDEM: 46.1% (+46.1)
CON: 39.3% (-25.0)
LAB: 10.7% (+10.7)
GRN: 3.9% (-15.6)
No Ind unlike previous.
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Post by Terry Weldon on Feb 23, 2017 23:21:32 GMT
And Charterlands?
Britain Elects:
"Liberal Democrat GAIN Charterlands (South Hams) from Conservative."
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Post by gwynthegriff on Feb 23, 2017 23:26:15 GMT
Epping Chigwell Village Con hold Con 453 LD 143 Looking like a good night for the Tories. May I refer the Hon Member to later results?  |
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Post by jonnymorris on Feb 23, 2017 23:26:23 GMT
#Charterlands:
LD 473 (45.8%)
Con 404 (39.2%)
Lab @votedavetrigger 110 (10.7%)
Green 40 (3.9%)
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Post by mrhell on Feb 23, 2017 23:26:46 GMT
Clearly we need to not stand and then stand and win.
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Post by mrhell on Feb 23, 2017 23:30:34 GMT
Turnout in Charterlands is an unepectedly high 46.5%. Come on Dave Trigger! He's bound to be a plonker! |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 23, 2017 23:34:45 GMT
Turnout in Charterlands is an unepectedly high 46.5%. Come on Dave Trigger! He's bound to be a plonker! I'm disappointed that his name isn't actually Rodney. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 23, 2017 23:36:16 GMT
He's bound to be a plonker! I'm disappointed that his name isn't actually Rodney. Maybe his name really is Rodney but in true Trigger style he called himself Dave when he filled in the nomination form |
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Post by myth11 on Feb 23, 2017 23:40:05 GMT
The lib dem in Charterlands is the only one that lives in the ward and seems to be opposed to some of the new house building in the ward.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 24, 2017 7:26:36 GMT
What happened to the Greens? I thought they were all the rage down there?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 7:51:15 GMT
The lib dem in Charterlands is the only one that lives in the ward and seems to be opposed to some of the new house building in the ward. Good old Lib Dems, back to empty opposition, getting their kicks from aliberal nimbyism and local by-election, and being nowhere near government. |
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Post by froome on Feb 24, 2017 8:50:33 GMT
Clearly we need to not stand and then stand and win. Yes it is an interesting tactic which seems to be working well. You probably won't find it in the campaign manual though. |
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Post by froome on Feb 24, 2017 8:54:15 GMT
What happened to the Greens? I thought they were all the rage down there? 'Down there' is Totnes, Charterlands is very different territory, and a spectacularly bad result for the Conservatives. |
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Post by Khunanup on Feb 24, 2017 9:09:20 GMT
The lib dem in Charterlands is the only one that lives in the ward and seems to be opposed to some of the new house building in the ward. Good old Lib Dems, back to empty opposition, getting their kicks from aliberal nimbyism and local by-election, and being nowhere near government. So your party has just had an historic by-election gain from Labour and this is the first thing you decide is really important to comment on? You really hate us don't you.  As an aside, nimbyism (whether it is or not here) isn't exactly a liberal or illiberal issue, our opposition isn't empty (and indeed fuller of substance than the empty government that your shower are presenting) and not being anywhere near government is up to the electorate who gave us a massive kicking. And if you think our by-election victories are irrelevant, you're completely missing how we're rebuilding... |
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Post by evergreenadam on Feb 24, 2017 9:33:53 GMT
Was not expecting two Lib Dem gains, neither had been flagged, especially not Kettering - I wonder what happened there.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 24, 2017 9:43:55 GMT
What happened to the Greens? I thought they were all the rage down there? 'Down there' is Totnes, Charterlands is very different territory, and a spectacularly bad result for the Conservatives. Nonetheless, you still lost 15% of the vote. Presumably it was previously coming from Lib Dem voters who had nobody to vote for last time rather than a firm Green vote? |
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Post by Antiochian on Feb 24, 2017 9:47:17 GMT
Was not expecting two Lib Dem gains, neither had been flagged, especially not Kettering - I wonder what happened there. The reality is that the Tories in local government have become complacent. I can see it around here at the Hampshire County Council and Test Valley BC levels. They have been in power so long and so comfortable and so unaccountable and unassailable that invincibility set in. The Libdems have been on the backfoot since Clegg appeared on the scene and the brutal attrition of councillors meant even less pushback against Tory over-reaching. Now that we are credible again (with the mojo flowing) the voters are showing quite dramatically that they are prepared to hand the keys over to others. This is going to continue and if anything get worse. The stomping Basingstoke victory for Labour on Tuesday reflected the same thing. On another front one might note that actuarial considerations come into it. A lot of Tory councillors are long in the tooth and there have been quite a lot of incumbents succumbing to old age. LibDems don't have the same dynamic as many of our older incumbents succumbed to the ballot box 2010-15. This dynamic won't go away and will only be accentuated between now and 2019. In 2015, around here, even elderly Tory paper candidates got elected, much to their surprise (and horror). They won't be standing again. The May elections obviously won't have the by-election effect but some areas (particularly in the South and Southwest) will not be pretty for the Tories. |
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Post by mboy on Feb 24, 2017 10:34:06 GMT
Was not expecting two Lib Dem gains, neither had been flagged, especially not Kettering - I wonder what happened there. Yeh where's marksenior when you need someone to flag improbable gains? They're now so improbable even he doesnt see them  |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 24, 2017 10:48:07 GMT
Was not expecting two Lib Dem gains, neither had been flagged, especially not Kettering - I wonder what happened there. Yeh where's marksenior when you need someone to flag improbable gains? They're now so improbable even he doesnt see them To be fair Mark has become fairly conservative in his actual predictions. I don't see any thing improbable about the gain South Hams - this is the classic area where the Lib Dems have challenged the Tories historically and the Lib Dem candidate was the only one to live in the ward and was a local parish councillor. And I think most of us in the prediction competetion did predict this outcome - Kettering obviously a different matter |
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Post by froome on Feb 24, 2017 10:59:49 GMT
'Down there' is Totnes, Charterlands is very different territory, and a spectacularly bad result for the Conservatives. Nonetheless, you still lost 15% of the vote. Presumably it was previously coming from Lib Dem voters who had nobody to vote for last time rather than a firm Green vote? Presumably yes (I have no local knowledge myself). It probably also points to the importance of local candidates in rural wards like this. Isn't this neilm territory? |
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