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Post by jamie on Oct 1, 2017 7:48:11 GMT
they did lack a certain passion which breaks my heart as I really liked their manifesto. They are probably the party in the world that is the best fit for me politically, maybe a non Eurocrat leader would've been better? Eurocrat leader is not a negative in Germany. Problem was they essentially agreed with Merkel on everything but with a less popular leader (they had no one better than Schulz anyways). They lost votes to everyone whether far left, green, classical liberal, or far right. Take away the fact it is the well established 2nd largest party, what reason would you have to vote for them? |
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Post by Trab on Oct 1, 2017 8:06:51 GMT
Andrea Nahles is probably the best realistic choice for the SPD in 2021.
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Post by Merseymike on Oct 1, 2017 11:23:40 GMT
Spoke to German friends. They vote SPD but both said they were dull, dull, dull - and if you want dull, they why not stick with Merkel? Who would you vote for? Die Linke. Did you really have to ask ? ☺ |
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Post by Merseymike on Oct 1, 2017 11:24:21 GMT
they did lack a certain passion which breaks my heart as I really liked their manifesto. They are probably the party in the world that is the best fit for me politically, maybe a non Eurocrat leader would've been better? Eurocrat leader is not a negative in Germany. Problem was they essentially agreed with Merkel on everything but with a less popular leader (they had no one better than Schulz anyways). They lost votes to everyone whether far left, green, classical liberal, or far right. Take away the fact it is the well established 2nd largest party, what reason would you have to vote for them? And they'd been in government.... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 12:34:15 GMT
Die Linke. Did you really have to ask ? ☺ Well I thought you were a social liberal and they are pretty dodgy people. I could have imagined you on the left of the Spd (take the party back type) |
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Post by Merseymike on Oct 1, 2017 13:25:27 GMT
Die Linke. Did you really have to ask ? ☺ Well I thought you were a social liberal and they are pretty dodgy people. I could have imagined you on the left of the Spd (take the party back type) They used to be. But now most of its voters are young and even in the East they have strongly supported the refugees - did you see the documentary about the town in Saxony where a Linke MP's car was blown up by the far right because of his support for refugees? |
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Post by mboy on Oct 1, 2017 14:46:50 GMT
Die Linke. Did you really have to ask ? ☺ Well I thought you were a social liberal and they are pretty dodgy people. I could have imagined you on the left of the Spd (take the party back type) I don't think much of today's radical left has a problem with Die Linke's support for dodgy dictators. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 1, 2017 15:36:45 GMT
Spoke to German friends. They vote SPD but both said they were dull, dull, dull - and if you want dull, they why not stick with Merkel? they did lack a certain passion which breaks my heart as I really liked their manifesto. They are probably the party in the world that is the best fit for me politically, maybe a non Eurocrat leader would've been better? I wouldn't vote SPD on the whole, but that someone your age, on the Left, is really into revisionist social democracy gladdens my heart! There's hope yet. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 1, 2017 15:38:59 GMT
Well I thought you were a social liberal and they are pretty dodgy people. I could have imagined you on the left of the Spd (take the party back type) They used to be. But now most of its voters are young and even in the East they have strongly supported the refugees - did you see the documentary about the town in Saxony where a Linke MP's car was blown up by the far right because of his support for refugees? The curious thing is that they now have a leadership (unlike in past years) made up of people who think that East Germany was right to criminalise fleeing a country and support the use of lethal force on those who tried. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 1, 2017 15:46:03 GMT
Andrea Nahles is probably the best realistic choice for the SPD in 2021. Hmmmm...a difficult one. Possibly a bit too Roman Catholic for some. There are a few I can see having a crack at it: Heiko Maas, Hannelore Kraft for example. If they choose to go leftwards, Katarina Barley strikes me as a likely type. I doubt anyone wants 2021 massively. I suspect that the next SPD Chancellor will be Manuela Schwesig, currently M-P of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 15:49:48 GMT
Andrea Nahles is probably the best realistic choice for the SPD in 2021. Hmmmm...a difficult one. Possibly a bit too Roman Catholic for some. There are a few I can see having a crack at it: Heiko Maas, Hannelore Kraft for example. If they choose to go leftwards, Katarina Barley strikes me as a likely type. I doubt anyone wants 2021 massively. I suspect that the next SPD Chancellor will be Manuela Schwesig, currently M-P of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. I thought Kraft had ruled it out for good? (though you never know with politicians). Schwesig will be 47 in 2021, that would be a good age. |
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Post by albion on Oct 1, 2017 15:51:55 GMT
Andrea Nahles is probably the best realistic choice for the SPD in 2021. Hmmmm...a difficult one. Possibly a bit too Roman Catholic for some. There are a few I can see having a crack at it: Heiko Maas, Hannelore Kraft for example. If they choose to go leftwards, Katarina Barley strikes me as a likely type. I doubt anyone wants 2021 massively. I suspect that the next SPD Chancellor will be Manuela Schwesig, currently M-P of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. Sounds rather like the Mel Brooks script; Taggart: I got it! I know how we can run everyone out of Rock Ridge. Hedley Lamarr: How? Taggart: We'll kill the first born male child in every household. Hedley Lamarr: [after some consideration] Too Jewish. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 1, 2017 15:58:11 GMT
Hmmmm...a difficult one. Possibly a bit too Roman Catholic for some. There are a few I can see having a crack at it: Heiko Maas, Hannelore Kraft for example. If they choose to go leftwards, Katarina Barley strikes me as a likely type. I doubt anyone wants 2021 massively. I suspect that the next SPD Chancellor will be Manuela Schwesig, currently M-P of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. I thought Kraft had ruled it out for good? (though you never know with politicians). Schwesig will be 47 in 2021, that would be a good age. Yes, I thought she had done so, but in a suitably ambiguous way that could be construed as not wanting it in 2017. I wonder if Malu Dreyer would want it? She'd have her health concerns to consider but she's managed to overcome them in Rhineland-Palatinate. Then there are the other SPD state premiers/mayors like Mueller in Berlin, Sieling in Bremen, and Scholz in Hamburg. You'd imagine that they'd be tapped up just because of that credibility that executive power grants. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 16:04:35 GMT
I thought Kraft had ruled it out for good? (though you never know with politicians). Schwesig will be 47 in 2021, that would be a good age. Yes, I thought she had done so, but in a suitably ambiguous way that could be construed as not wanting it in 2017. I wonder if Malu Dreyer would want it? She'd have her health concerns to consider but she's managed to overcome them in Rhineland-Palatinate. Then there are the other SPD state premiers/mayors like Mueller in Berlin, Sieling in Bremen, and Scholz in Hamburg. You'd imagine that they'd be tapped up just because of that credibility that executive power grants. Dreyer will be 60 in 2021. I think they will want to go with someone younger to signal renewal after the Merkel era (and because going with "veteran" Schulz didn't pan out this time). |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 1, 2017 17:47:55 GMT
The state returning officer lists results by polling station, but as there are hundreds of them per constituency and no accompanying map, it'd be quite painstaking work to figure out which parts were in the former East. There are maps available somewhere on that site. There is also the Berliner Morgenpost map here. To be honest, it is not really worth it these days. With the except of the the area south of Leipziger Straße and east of Charlottenstraße most of the DDR sections of Mitte are gentrified to fuck these days. I was disappointed to find my favourite dive Imbiss on Krausenstraße has become "Cafe #HASHTAG". Similarly, whilst K'berg is still sort of the same, F'hain is also gentrifying rapidly with new flats and exquisite beards being added in droves. I think it's the first time, that THE LEFT won RelativeMajorities in a West-area: northern NeuKölln (and few precincts in northern Tempelhof)! |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 1, 2017 17:55:19 GMT
they did lack a certain passion which breaks my heart as I really liked their manifesto. They are probably the party in the world that is the best fit for me politically, maybe a non Eurocrat leader would've been better? Eurocrat leader is not a negative in Germany. Problem was they essentially agreed with Merkel on everything but with a less popular leader (they had no one better than Schulz anyways). They lost votes to everyone whether far left, green, classical liberal, or far right. Take away the fact it is the well established 2nd largest party, what reason would you have to vote for them? As ForeignMinister Gabriel demonstrated once again, how polemically he can be. But, of course, he was too much disliked by the LeftWing for being able to candidate. His big mistake was to enter the government - and as a minister for economy! Unsuitable for a SocialDemocrat! Finance belonged to Schäuble, ForeignAffairs was reserved for Steinmeier, all other ministries were to unimpressive, so Gabriel should have remained in parliament instead. |
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Post by AdminSTB on Oct 1, 2017 18:19:15 GMT
There are maps available somewhere on that site. There is also the Berliner Morgenpost map here. To be honest, it is not really worth it these days. With the except of the the area south of Leipziger Straße and east of Charlottenstraße most of the DDR sections of Mitte are gentrified to fuck these days. I was disappointed to find my favourite dive Imbiss on Krausenstraße has become "Cafe #HASHTAG". Similarly, whilst K'berg is still sort of the same, F'hain is also gentrifying rapidly with new flats and exquisite beards being added in droves. I think it's the first time, that THE LEFT won RelativeMajorities in a West-area: northern NeuKölln (and few precincts in northern Tempelhof)! Having passed through Templehof last weekend a couple of times, northern Tempelhof does not surprise me. Northern Neukölln does and I wonder if this is an Erdogan effect. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 1, 2017 19:57:04 GMT
I think it's the first time, that THE LEFT won RelativeMajorities in a West-area: northern NeuKölln (and few precincts in northern Tempelhof)! Having passed through Templehof last weekend a couple of times, northern Tempelhof does not surprise me. Northern Neukölln does and I wonder if this is an Erdogan effect. Yes, Erdogan-fans might have elected PKK's german ally LEFT... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 20:08:51 GMT
Well I thought you were a social liberal and they are pretty dodgy people. I could have imagined you on the left of the Spd (take the party back type) I don't think much of today's radical left has a problem with Die Linke's support for dodgy dictators. I used to live with a LibDem who said he'd join Die Linke in Germany...  |
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Post by jamie on Oct 1, 2017 21:15:41 GMT
Couple of opinion polls post election (comparison with last pre-election poll from company in brackets):
Forschungsgruppe:
CDU/CSU - 32% (-4)
SPD - 21% (-0.5)
AFD - 12% (+1)
FDP - 10% (nc)
DL - 10% (+1.5)
Greens - 11% (+3)
Emnid:
CDU/CSU - 33% (-2)
SPD - 21% (-1)
AFD - 12% (+1)
FDP - 11% (+2)
DL - 10% (nc)
Greens - 10% (+2)
So both polls show a clear decline for the CDU/CSU and boost for the Greens. Perhaps there was a very late swing which they've only picked up after the election, perhaps they've started weighting based on election, perhaps the parties have changed since the election, not sure really. Regardless, all the polls look more like the election result which is something I suppose.
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