mondialito
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Post by mondialito on Sept 22, 2020 11:46:19 GMT
It isn't an accident that Trump said this in a state where the White population are mostly of Scandinavian decent.
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Post by curiousliberal on Sept 22, 2020 11:50:11 GMT
It isn't an accident that Trump said this in a state where the White population are mostly of Scandinavian decent. Actually, it is. Watch his speech if you're skeptical: it was just a bizarre rambling. He also seemed to praise Robert E. Lee despite the rural northern adoption of the Confederate flag having little to do with any love for the general.
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Chris from Brum
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 22, 2020 11:53:39 GMT
It isn't an accident that Trump said this in a state where the White population are mostly of Scandinavian decent. Actually, it is. Watch his speech if you're skeptical: it was just a bizarre rambling. He also seemed to praise Robert E. Lee despite the rural northern adoption of the Confederate flag having little to do with any love for the general. Doesn't that describe 90% of his speeches?
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Post by nelson on Sept 22, 2020 20:18:51 GMT
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Post by Sandy on Sept 22, 2020 21:09:49 GMT
Couldn't have put it better myself. It will be very, very funny.
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Post by CatholicLeft on Sept 22, 2020 21:19:28 GMT
Couldn't have put it better myself. It will be very, very funny. Worth pointing out that, as somebody who would not vote for either of the tickets in the US if I had the vote (I would look for another candidate or write one in), and as somebody who is pro-life and would never describe myself as a liberal, it is the idea of appointing somebody to a position for life with no appropriate scrutiny for that role (you don't get promoted on the basis of an interview for a lesser post) that I find so objectionable, and I am sure that is the position of many in United States. This isn't a childish game, it is a major constitutional appointment and should be dealt with accordingly. I think the Senate has become a much poorer place from the one that could approve of both the late Justices Scalia and Ginsburg with 90+ Ayes after both had received appropriate questioning.
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Post by curiousliberal on Sept 22, 2020 21:36:46 GMT
Couldn't have put it better myself. It will be very, very funny. Anybody who subscribes to political philosophies or is led to support policies primarily because they make a subset of liberal (or conservative) activists angry has surrendered their own political autonomy. There's a lot liberals can be made angry about - mass starvation, for instance - and plenty of it isn't in their Twitter rivals' interests. Convincing culture warriors that their interests as people are diametrically opposed was a brilliant play by elites: all they've had to do when pushing an awful and unpopular policy is to alienate one group first, then demand the other defend it because "The bad guys dislike it, so it's unquestionably good." It is best to consider politics on its own merits and try to assess whether one would support/oppose a policy even if cultural opposites opposed/supported it respectively.
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Post by Sandy on Sept 22, 2020 21:55:21 GMT
Couldn't have put it better myself. It will be very, very funny. Anybody who subscribes to political philosophies or is led to support policies primarily because they make a subset of liberal (or conservative) activists angry has surrendered their own political autonomy. There's a lot liberals can be made angry about - mass starvation, for instance - and plenty of it isn't in their Twitter rivals' interests. Convincing culture warriors that their interests as people are diametrically opposed was a brilliant play by elites: all they've had to do when pushing an awful and unpopular policy is to alienate one group first, then demand the other defend it because "The bad guys dislike it, so it's unquestionably good." It is best to consider politics on its own merits and try to assess whether one would support/oppose a policy even if cultural opposites opposed/supported it respectively. Sorry I fell asleep after mass starvation. I fear you took my post a tad too seriously.
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Post by Andrew_S on Sept 23, 2020 14:47:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 15:22:04 GMT
I'm coming out of hiding because I'm bored (and lonely) in lockdown.
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump scrapes wins in Arizona and Florida.
Biden's numbers with Hispanics haven't been great this year compared to Clinton's.
51-47% in Florida would be Bush 2004 numbers in that state. Impressive if Trump pulls it off.
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Post by matureleft on Sept 23, 2020 15:27:47 GMT
I'm coming out of hiding because I'm bored (and lonely) in lockdown. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump scrapes wins in Arizona and Florida. Biden's numbers with Hispanics haven't been great this year compared to Clinton's. 51-47% in Florida would be Bush 2004 numbers in that state. Impressive if Trump pulls it off. Welcome back. The oddity in this collection, that suggests something might be wrong, is the Senate race in Arizona. All other surveys have shown Kelly winning that comfortably. This shows it even.
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Post by timmullen1 on Sept 23, 2020 15:42:50 GMT
I'm coming out of hiding because I'm bored (and lonely) in lockdown. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump scrapes wins in Arizona and Florida. Biden's numbers with Hispanics haven't been great this year compared to Clinton's. 51-47% in Florida would be Bush 2004 numbers in that state. Impressive if Trump pulls it off. Welcome back, you’ve been missed.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Sept 23, 2020 16:19:17 GMT
I'm coming out of hiding because I'm bored (and lonely) in lockdown. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump scrapes wins in Arizona and Florida. Biden's numbers with Hispanics haven't been great this year compared to Clinton's. 51-47% in Florida would be Bush 2004 numbers in that state. Impressive if Trump pulls it off. Welcome back, you’ve been missed. Good to have you back. Even with that Avatar!
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mondialito
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Post by mondialito on Sept 23, 2020 16:35:35 GMT
The Biden campaign's general complacency towards Hispanics has been confusing to me. Even if you put Cuban-Americans to one side as a special case, there seems to be an assumption that other Hispanic voters will stick with the Democrat candidate because of Trump's rhetoric, which carries risks.
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Post by curiousliberal on Sept 23, 2020 16:36:00 GMT
I'm coming out of hiding because I'm bored (and lonely) in lockdown. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump scrapes wins in Arizona and Florida. Biden's numbers with Hispanics haven't been great this year compared to Clinton's. 51-47% in Florida would be Bush 2004 numbers in that state. Impressive if Trump pulls it off. Welcome back. The oddity in this collection, that suggests something might be wrong, is the Senate race in Arizona. All other surveys have shown Kelly winning that comfortably. This shows it even. There's nothing too surprising about the result, actually - he is overperforming Biden in terms of margin by 2% and his overperformance usually wasn't too dramatic in most higher-quality polls (~6% on average, IIRC). Even a candidate as weak as McSally could erode some of that crossover support by coasting on downballot polarisation resulting from the Supreme Court fight.
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Post by curiousliberal on Sept 23, 2020 17:11:27 GMT
The Election That Could Break America: or, how dictatorship could be constitutional. If the Democratic victory isn't large enough, states with Republican control could choose to appoint electors according to any other method rather than just the state's popular vote, even after election day. This has been no more than than theoretical for a long time but this piece claims the Trump campaign is actively looking into it and justifying it onal alleged voter fraud. Also worth considering are his comments on the Supreme Court yesterday:
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 23, 2020 17:15:29 GMT
The Biden campaign's general complacency towards Hispanics has been confusing to me. Even if you put Cuban-Americans to one side as a special case, there seems to be an assumption that other Hispanic voters will stick with the Democrat candidate because of Trump's rhetoric, which carries risks. That's not so much 'the Biden campaign' as 'the Democratic Party in general'.
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Post by London Lad on Sept 23, 2020 17:59:27 GMT
Hunter Biden report out - 2 items jump out straight away.. Hunter Biden received a $3.5 million wire transfer from Elena Baturina, the wife of the former mayor of Moscow.and something for the tabloids... Hunter Biden paid nonresident women who were nationals of Russia or other Eastern European countries and who appear to be linked to an “Eastern European prostitution or human trafficking ring.”
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Sept 23, 2020 19:07:21 GMT
The Biden campaign's general complacency towards Hispanics has been confusing to me. Even if you put Cuban-Americans to one side as a special case, there seems to be an assumption that other Hispanic voters will stick with the Democrat candidate because of Trump's rhetoric, which carries risks. There is a complacency towards ethnic and sexual minorities on the left generally across the democratic world. It's slowly coming back to bite them.
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Post by timmullen1 on Sept 23, 2020 19:33:34 GMT
The Biden campaign's general complacency towards Hispanics has been confusing to me. Even if you put Cuban-Americans to one side as a special case, there seems to be an assumption that other Hispanic voters will stick with the Democrat candidate because of Trump's rhetoric, which carries risks. That would be the complacency that in Florida alone Biden as of last weekend was running more Spanish language ads than Trump on TV and radio (but not social media) and has more on the ground organisers in Hispanic communities than Trump? It’s worth reading the polling notes to the WaPo poll that says the Hispanic sample is too small to gain specific figures from. Also Arizona has been edging to the left of Florida since 2018, so it’s maybe no surprise that Biden’s doing slightly better in AZ (backed by the Republican House campaign targeting three Dem held House seats on FL whilst only making a token effort against O’Halloran in AZ).
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