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Post by nelson on Apr 8, 2020 19:43:12 GMT
Not much faith in Biden as crisis manager. Bring Back Barry!
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Apr 8, 2020 19:48:52 GMT
Not much faith in Biden as crisis manager. Bring Back Barry! Obama has the gravitas of actually being a president.
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Post by nelson on Apr 8, 2020 19:59:28 GMT
NJ has moved its (no longer relevant) primary elections from 2 June to 7 July.
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Post by nelson on Apr 8, 2020 20:07:01 GMT
Sanders points out he will remain on ballot and continue to collect delegates in order to "exert significant influence over the party platform" at the DNC.
In other news Biden accuser Alexandra Tara Reade now claims Times Up has agreed to take her case, if true that makes it a more serious problem for Biden (though still manageable) and his campaign manager Anita Dunn (on Times Up's board).
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Post by pl on Apr 8, 2020 20:34:01 GMT
Not much faith in Biden as crisis manager. Bring Back Barry! Obama has the gravitas of actually being a president. But he reminded me a lot of Blair- a man with a large mandate whohad no idea what to do with it. I'm not sure he'd have been terribly good with the Coronavirus - aside from being a media smoothy. In US terms you would probably be better with Reagan or Bush Jr (leave it to the experts) or Bush Senior (who was fairly competent). Whether Clinton would have been capable of following "social distancing" is another matter (!!).
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Post by Merseymike on Apr 8, 2020 20:41:26 GMT
Another country whose next election I wouldn't vote in.
A really uninspiring choice
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Post by Andrew_S on Apr 8, 2020 20:45:30 GMT
Another country whose next election I wouldn't vote in. A really uninspiring choice You wouldn't vote for Biden to help remove Trump from office?
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Apr 8, 2020 20:47:35 GMT
Obama has the gravitas of actually being a president. But he reminded me a lot of Blair- a man with a large mandate whohad no idea what to do with it. I'm not sure he'd have been terribly good with the Coronavirus - aside from being a media smoothy. In US terms you would probably be better with Reagan or Bush Jr (leave it to the experts) or Bush Senior (who was fairly competent). Whether Clinton would have been capable of following "social distancing" is another matter (!!). One of the biggest criticisms of Reagan is that he didn't get a handle on the AIDS crisis. Still, his well-regarded communication skills would probably have served him well during the present crisis. I can actually, believe it or not, imagine Nixon coming across well too.
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Post by pl on Apr 8, 2020 20:52:43 GMT
But he reminded me a lot of Blair- a man with a large mandate whohad no idea what to do with it. I'm not sure he'd have been terribly good with the Coronavirus - aside from being a media smoothy. In US terms you would probably be better with Reagan or Bush Jr (leave it to the experts) or Bush Senior (who was fairly competent). Whether Clinton would have been capable of following "social distancing" is another matter (!!). One of the biggest criticisms of Reagan is that he didn't get a handle on the AIDS crisis. Still, his well-regarded communication skills would probably have served him well during the present crisis. I can actually, believe it or not, imagine Nixon coming across well too. As long as it was on the radio, not TV!
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Post by nelson on Apr 8, 2020 20:58:13 GMT
Another country whose next election I wouldn't vote in. A really uninspiring choice You wouldn't vote 3rd party? The Greens are about to nominate their most attractive candidate seen from a left wing POV. "Howie Hawkins (born December 8, 1952) is an American trade unionist and activist from New York. A co-founder of the Green Party of the United States, Hawkins is seeking the party's nomination for President in 2020. His primary campaign issues include enacting an eco-socialist Green New Deal, which he first proposed in 2010, and building a viable, independent working-class political and social movement in opposition to the Democratic and Republican parties and capitalism in general." Anyway, the presidential election is only one part of the GE. There is Congress and lots of state and local races and referendums, so a hypothetical American "Hudsonmike" would probably vote.
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Post by dizz on Apr 8, 2020 21:09:07 GMT
Another country whose next election I wouldn't vote in. A really uninspiring choice Remind me, how many times have you said that on this thread? I'm fine with the point but do you have to repeat it every week? Sorry to have to say.
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Post by Merseymike on Apr 8, 2020 21:32:54 GMT
Another country whose next election I wouldn't vote in. A really uninspiring choice You wouldn't vote 3rd party? The Greens are about to nominate their most attractive candidate seen from a left wing POV. "Howie Hawkins (born December 8, 1952) is an American trade unionist and activist from New York. A co-founder of the Green Party of the United States, Hawkins is seeking the party's nomination for President in 2020. His primary campaign issues include enacting an eco-socialist Green New Deal, which he first proposed in 2010, and building a viable, independent working-class political and social movement in opposition to the Democratic and Republican parties and capitalism in general." Anyway, the presidential election is only one part of the GE. There is Congress and lots of state and local races and referendums, so a hypothetical American "Hudsonmike" would probably vote. Trouble is in presidential elections it's even more two party dominated than here. What a choice. Biden or Trump. Agree that in the US system voting at other levels would make sense owing to separation of piwers
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Post by Merseymike on Apr 8, 2020 21:33:58 GMT
Another country whose next election I wouldn't vote in. A really uninspiring choice Remind me, how many times have you said that on this thread? I'm fine with the point but do you have to repeat it every week? Sorry to have to say. Not forced to read it.
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Post by dizz on Apr 8, 2020 22:01:10 GMT
Remind me, how many times have you said that on this thread? I'm fine with the point but do you have to repeat it every week? Sorry to have to say. Not forced to read it. I don't pay it great attention. I'd like to think though that this /any thread could be about a bit more that just repeating the same line.
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Post by mboy on Apr 8, 2020 22:14:34 GMT
Wow... I didn't quite expect it this early to be honest, but obviously the virus has knocked the whole primary season off course, otherwise I'm sure Bernie would've liked to go up to the wire as in 2016, in order to push his policies a bit more. Be interesting to see how Biden performs over the coming months. I was previously rather scornful of the accusations that Biden's faculties are starting to fray, but I'm now starting to get a bit concerned for him to be honest. I think it could be quite uncomfortable to watch, and I cringe thinking about what Trump will say to exploit it. Watch the Biden Vs Bernie debate. Biden will be fine against Trump.
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Post by European Lefty on Apr 8, 2020 23:56:58 GMT
Another country whose next election I wouldn't vote in. A really uninspiring choice You wouldn't vote 3rd party? The Greens are about to nominate their most attractive candidate seen from a left wing POV. "Howie Hawkins (born December 8, 1952) is an American trade unionist and activist from New York. A co-founder of the Green Party of the United States, Hawkins is seeking the party's nomination for President in 2020. His primary campaign issues include enacting an eco-socialist Green New Deal, which he first proposed in 2010, and building a viable, independent working-class political and social movement in opposition to the Democratic and Republican parties and capitalism in general." Anyway, the presidential election is only one part of the GE. There is Congress and lots of state and local races and referendums, so a hypothetical American "Hudsonmike" would probably vote. Aren't the Greens all raging anti-vaxxers?
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Post by nelson on Apr 9, 2020 6:53:23 GMT
The DNC has outlined its GE program to support Biden. It includes a battlegrounds program focused on 12 competitive states: GA, NH, NV, OH, TX, VA, AZ, FL, MI, NC, PA and WI, $22 million in YouTube ads across 14 states and a complete overhaul of their tech infrastructure.
So attacks in the swing states PA, MI, WI, AZ, NC, GA, FL (all unsurprising) + TX and OH (TX makes sense due to down ballot gains and long term mobilization, OH is likely a waste of money, but Trump's approval ratings have dropped significantly). Defense of NH (always a must, too close for comfort), NV (low educational level, has the right kind of whites for Trump) and, surprisingly VA (should be very safe against Trump due to NoVA). Even more surprisingly MN is not included, which either means Klobuchar is going to be on the ballot or they're taking a chance (MN is likely fools' gold for the GOP thanks to the Twin Cities, but it's definitely less obviously so than VA).
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Post by heslingtonian on Apr 9, 2020 11:12:08 GMT
Interesting that the DNC rates Virginia as more at risk than Colorado or Maine as well.
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Post by timmullen1 on Apr 9, 2020 11:32:30 GMT
Interesting that the DNC rates Virginia as more at risk than Colorado or Maine as well. They probably don’t, but there’s a significant crossover from the Norfolk, VA market into large chunks of North Carolina, so they may actually targeting that rather than Virginia itself.
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Post by nelson on Apr 9, 2020 11:54:00 GMT
Interesting that the DNC rates Virginia as more at risk than Colorado or Maine as well. CO is very safe (esp. against Trump). If the Democrats lose CO they'll already have lost the election. ME is a small state (one of its EV will always be won by the Dems and one has already been lost, so there are only two EVs at stake), that's not a genuine swing state and very unlikely to be decisive on its own (but I agree it does look odd, it's not that expensive to defend, especially not if you're already targeting neighbouring NH).
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