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Post by curiousliberal on Mar 25, 2020 21:54:24 GMT
If NY holds on April 28, it will now lose 29 delegates as it is no longer in a cluster of states voting on a single day.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 25, 2020 22:04:34 GMT
ISTR from the Coleman-Franken battle that the power to appoint a Senator pending a resolution to the regular election is more ambiguous than that paper makes out. Also the Senate has the power to decline credentials - so in theory a Democrat majority could reject such casual appointments or at least defer them long enough to sort everything else out. Senators represent the States. Up to 1913 there was no requirement to have a popular election to elect them; they could be chosen by the State legislature. Whether a Governor has power to appoint a temporary senator is up to the state's constitution.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 22:32:41 GMT
ISTR from the Coleman-Franken battle that the power to appoint a Senator pending a resolution to the regular election is more ambiguous than that paper makes out. Also the Senate has the power to decline credentials - so in theory a Democrat majority could reject such casual appointments or at least defer them long enough to sort everything else out. Senators represent the States. Up to 1913 there was no requirement to have a popular election to elect them; they could be chosen by the State legislature. Whether a Governor has power to appoint a temporary senator is up to the state's constitution. Appointment by the state legislature would be amusing because in Minnesota Republicans control the State Senate and Democrats control the State House.
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Post by timmullen1 on Mar 25, 2020 22:52:29 GMT
Senators represent the States. Up to 1913 there was no requirement to have a popular election to elect them; they could be chosen by the State legislature. Whether a Governor has power to appoint a temporary senator is up to the state's constitution. Appointment by the state legislature would be amusing because in Minnesota Republicans control the State Senate and Democrats control the State House. AFAIK the appointment lies solely in the hands of the Governor not the legislature. There are some caveats: in a number of States the appointee must be from the same Party as the Senator whose seat is being filled; in others it is only until a Special Election can be scheduled, in others to the next scheduled elections, and finally to complete the full term of the vacancy. Minnesota’s constitution is clear that the Governor shall “make a temporary appointment to fill any vacancy”. Again as I recall the Coleman-Franken appointment only touched on Governor Pawlenty when Coleman argued that as the pre-recount winner he should be certified, a position Pawlenty rejected and which the state Supreme Court upheld. The rest was played out in the recanvassing board and the courts, and the seat remained unfilled until the State Supreme Court ordered Franken certified the winner.
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Post by jamie on Mar 25, 2020 23:25:35 GMT
Stay Alive, Joe Biden - Democrats need little from the front-runner beyond his corporeal presence"For the foreseeable future, there will be no more speeches in front of hundreds, or lines of people waiting to shake Biden’s hand. There may not even be the glossy fanfare of a convention with a prime-time address. But, truthfully, all those things were always sort of beside the point. Like on that morning in McClellandville, and countless other ones besides, Biden was never really convincing anyone on the stump—his political power at this point is an idea, held collectively, about how to defeat Trump. The work now is to keep that idea convincing enough, for long enough, among as many people as possible, for the corporeal man to actually win." This is Clintonesque complacency and should be seen as nothing but. His campaign has been crap all along and entirely dependent on Biden’s long held reputation as the well known/electable/moderate candidate from the get go. The actual campaign messaging, ground game etc, has been completely shambolic.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 23:37:59 GMT
Appointment by the state legislature would be amusing because in Minnesota Republicans control the State Senate and Democrats control the State House. AFAIK the appointment lies solely in the hands of the Governor not the legislature. There are some caveats: in a number of States the appointee must be from the same Party as the Senator whose seat is being filled; in others it is only until a Special Election can be scheduled, in others to the next scheduled elections, and finally to complete the full term of the vacancy. Minnesota’s constitution is clear that the Governor shall “make a temporary appointment to fill any vacancy”. Again as I recall the Coleman-Franken appointment only touched on Governor Pawlenty when Coleman argued that as the pre-recount winner he should be certified, a position Pawlenty rejected and which the state Supreme Court upheld. The rest was played out in the recanvassing board and the courts, and the seat remained unfilled until the State Supreme Court ordered Franken certified the winner. Christ. The Democrats can't have had a super majority for very long then.
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Post by timrollpickering on Mar 26, 2020 0:00:30 GMT
My recollection is that there was a move to seat Franken while challenges were still being dragged out but it ran into the problem of whether or not to accept the replacement for Obama with all the scandal in Illinois plus the Democrats not wanting the optics of accepting a white man but rejecting a black man. The potential for the Senate to reject the provisional credentials (normally accepted as a formality) did come up somewhere in all that.
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Post by timmullen1 on Mar 26, 2020 0:24:56 GMT
AFAIK the appointment lies solely in the hands of the Governor not the legislature. There are some caveats: in a number of States the appointee must be from the same Party as the Senator whose seat is being filled; in others it is only until a Special Election can be scheduled, in others to the next scheduled elections, and finally to complete the full term of the vacancy. Minnesota’s constitution is clear that the Governor shall “make a temporary appointment to fill any vacancy”. Again as I recall the Coleman-Franken appointment only touched on Governor Pawlenty when Coleman argued that as the pre-recount winner he should be certified, a position Pawlenty rejected and which the state Supreme Court upheld. The rest was played out in the recanvassing board and the courts, and the seat remained unfilled until the State Supreme Court ordered Franken certified the winner. Christ. The Democrats can't have had a super majority for very long then. Franken was the supermajority; prior to his seating there were 57 official Democrats plus Joe Lieberman and Sanders, both technically Independent (Lieberman was the one and only Connecticut for Lieberman Party candidate), taking them to 59.
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Post by Richard Allen on Mar 26, 2020 0:25:56 GMT
In other news there are now less than 200,000 ballots to process in California and most of them are provisional ballots so not all will be valid and of course some will have have a presidential vote in the GOP primary.
Sanders lead has been slowly creeping up over the last 10 days or so and now stands at 7.7%.
the greenpapers.com currently calculate the delegate split as
Sanders: 222 Biden: 173 Warren: 12 Bloomberg: 8
Final results there could still be a month away because the deadline for processing ballots has been pushed back from 3rd April to the 24th April and based on previous elections some pedantic county officials like to wait till the last day to report their final figures.
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Post by timmullen1 on Mar 26, 2020 0:31:07 GMT
My recollection is that there was a move to seat Franken while challenges were still being dragged out but it ran into the problem of whether or not to accept the replacement for Obama with all the scandal in Illinois plus the Democrats not wanting the optics of accepting a white man but rejecting a black man. The potential for the Senate to reject the provisional credentials (normally accepted as a formality) did come up somewhere in all that. Harry Reid talked about trying to seat Franken on the first day of the Congress, but John Cornyn on behalf of the GOP made it clear they would filibuster any attempt, and so, deciding it was better to use their 59-40 majority usefully in passing Obama’s early legislation, no attempt was ever made.
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Post by curiousliberal on Mar 26, 2020 0:37:19 GMT
This is Clintonesque complacency and should be seen as nothing but. His campaign has been crap all along and entirely dependent on Biden’s long held reputation as the well known/electable/moderate candidate from the get go. The actual campaign messaging, ground game etc, has been completely shambolic. The ground game has been pretty poor, but I wouldn't go so far as to argue that the messaging was shambolic; additionally, the platform is probably better set for a general election than Clinton's due to less emphasis on social (and more on economic) issues. The campaign has avoided a fair few of its rivals' pitfalls by mostly ignoring Twitterati (including centrist Twitterati), and - though this can be thuggish, it's smart for short-term electoral gain - they (and Biden in particular) have sometimes been willing to talk back to cable news instead of answering questions as if they're all fairly put. They've also avoided some politically unnecessary apologies, which unfortunately almost never help a politician these days. Biden himself has said throughout the campaign that he'll respond to Trump's attacks with policy instead of This is Not Who We Are, and the campaign seems to understand that the aforementioned overt appeal to decency is to be mostly limited to the primary. IMO the ground game is also the most interesting of the weaknesses. The party should be much more confident than in 2016 of which states it needs to target in the general election, and will presumably pour resources into the relevant local parties. Do Biden's issues with getting out his supporters in IA/NH/NV perpetuate in PA/MI/WI, or does the party machine sufficiently compensate for his campaign's apparent structural weaknesses?
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Post by timmullen1 on Mar 26, 2020 1:29:07 GMT
His campaign has been crap all along and entirely dependent on Biden’s long held reputation as the well known/electable/moderate candidate from the get go. The actual campaign messaging, ground game etc, has been completely shambolic. The ground game has been pretty poor, but I wouldn't go so far as to argue that the messaging was shambolic; additionally, the platform is probably better set for a general election than Clinton's due to less emphasis on social (and more on economic) issues. The campaign has avoided a fair few of its rivals' pitfalls by mostly ignoring Twitterati (including centrist Twitterati), and - though this can be thuggish, it's smart for short-term electoral gain - they (and Biden in particular) have sometimes been willing to talk back to cable news instead of answering questions as if they're all fairly put. They've also avoided some politically unnecessary apologies, which unfortunately almost never help a politician these days. Biden himself has said throughout the campaign that he'll respond to Trump's attacks with policy instead of This is Not Who We Are, and the campaign seems to understand that the aforementioned overt appeal to decency is to be mostly limited to the primary. IMO the ground game is also the most interesting of the weaknesses. The party should be much more confident than in 2016 of which states it needs to target in the general election, and will presumably pour resources into the relevant local parties. Do Biden's issues with getting out his supporters in IA/NH/NV perpetuate in PA/MI/WI, or does the party machine sufficiently compensate for his campaign's apparent structural weaknesses? The Michigan primary would suggest the answer’s no. Don’t forget Biden entered the race comparatively late so didn’t have as much chance to tool up in IA, NH and NV, and chose to do a minimum in those states whilst throwing the kitchen sink at SC. On Super Tuesday he won States where he hadn’t run an single advert. However he’s also started to rejig the personnel at the top of his campaign, people who, assuming there’s anything resembling a “normal” election have outstanding track records both nationally and at state level.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Mar 26, 2020 7:23:30 GMT
Then step forward President Patrick Leahy. No election - no President, no Vice-President, no House of Representatives. No Senate elections and most defending are Republicans. It would be President Chuck Grassley unless there’s a change of Party control of the Senate. Leahy was given the courtesy title of President Pro-Tem Emeritus, but as the longest continually serving Senator of the Majority Party, Grassley is the actual President Pro-Tem of the Senate. But some of the Senate are up for re-election and they are mostly Republicans, so without those the Democrats would be the majority party.
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Post by timrollpickering on Mar 26, 2020 11:54:19 GMT
(Lieberman was the one and only Connecticut for Lieberman Party candidate) There was another in 2010. The party had a curious afterlife of about six years beyond Lieberman's 2006 run as rival activists sought to turn the registration into a functioning organisation and took to both the state authorities and Wikipedia to assert they were in charge. And just to add to the confusion if Lieberman had restood in 2012 neither of the rival factions would have been able to block him under Connecticut law.
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Post by timmullen1 on Mar 26, 2020 12:36:22 GMT
It would be President Chuck Grassley unless there’s a change of Party control of the Senate. Leahy was given the courtesy title of President Pro-Tem Emeritus, but as the longest continually serving Senator of the Majority Party, Grassley is the actual President Pro-Tem of the Senate. But some of the Senate are up for re-election and they are mostly Republicans, so without those the Democrats would be the majority party. That wouldn’t happen. The Constitution is clear that there has to be 100 Senators, and each State has its own method for filling vacancies, so presuming no elections were held before this Congress adjourns sine die the day before the scheduled Inauguration, the appropriate Governors would merely appoint replacements. As Richard Allen pointed out that would likely lead to McSally being reappointed in Arizona, Purdue and Loeffler in Georgia, Murkowski in Alaska, Risch in Idaho, Ernst in Iowa, Cornyn in Texas, Hyde-Smith in Mississippi, Saase in Nebraska, Inhofe in Oklahoma, Graham in South Carolina, Rounds in South Dakota, a Republican in Tennessee, Kansas and Wyoming to replace the retiring Alexander, Roberts and Enzi all being Republican Senators in states with Republican governors. Tom Cotton would return from Arkansas as he’s unopposed in the general election anyway. On the Democratic side Durbin would be reappointed in Illinois, Coons in Delaware, Peters in Michigan, Smith in Minnesota, Booker in New Jersey, Shaheen in New Hampshire, Udall in New Mexico, Merkley in Oregon, Warner in Virginia and Reed in Rhode Island, all being Democratic incumbents seeking re-election in states with a Democratic Governor. The slight question marks would be Jones in Alabama, Manchin in West Virginia, Kentucky and Markey in Massachusetts (Democrats with a Republican governor - although the latter would be likely reappointed as any vacancy has to be filled from the same Party) and Collins in Maine, Tillis in North Carolina, Kennedy in Louisiana, McConnell in Kentucky and Daines in Montana (Republicans with a Democratic Governor, although, again some of those might have clauses in the State constitution specifying that a vacancy has to be filled by the same Party as the previous senator). timrollpickering Sorry I meant to add “elected” at the end of the sentence.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 13:14:14 GMT
"A record 3.3 million people filed claims for unemployment in the US last week as the Covid-19 pandemic shut down large parts of America’s economy.
According to the labor department, the number of new jobless claims filed by individuals seeking unemployment benefits rose by more than three million to 3.28m from 281,000 the previous week. The figure is the highest ever reported, beating the previous record of 695,000 claims filed the week ending 2 October 1982."
I wonder who had to tell Trumpypoo that particular bit of news.
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Post by nelson on Mar 26, 2020 13:16:31 GMT
"A record 3.3 million people filed claims for unemployment in the US last week as the Covid-19 pandemic shut down large parts of America’s economy. According to the labor department, the number of new jobless claims filed by individuals seeking unemployment benefits rose by more than three million to 3.28m from 281,000 the previous week. The figure is the highest ever reported, beating the previous record of 695,000 claims filed the week ending 2 October 1982." I wonder who had to tell Trumpypoo that particular bit of news. Trump is well aware of the negative impact on the economy (and thereby his reelection chances). Which is why he wants the economy opened up again ASAP and is putting pressure on GOP governors to end restrictions.
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Post by nelson on Mar 26, 2020 17:37:03 GMT
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Post by No Offence Alan on Mar 26, 2020 18:16:17 GMT
The 1990s? So whatever he did disbars him from being President, but not Vice-President, otherwise she would have raised this earlier?
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Post by nelson on Mar 26, 2020 18:20:58 GMT
The 1990s? So whatever he did disbars him from being President, but not Vice-President, otherwise she would have raised this earlier? I don't think you can use the usual "she should have said so earlier" line in this particular case. She has tried to raise the matter multiple times, and also claims to have reported it at the time it happened. Whether it "disbars" Biden from being President is up to the voters (if this gets enough attention for most voters to know about it, which it probably won't).
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