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Post by maxque on Jan 7, 2017 11:54:01 GMT
Well, the sane option last time was to vote for Corbyn, as there is no way Owen Smith would win government. Corbyn should be replaced by someone competent and likeable, not a Big Pharma lobbyist. Jesus of Nazareth was not in fact available as a candidate. I have an hard time to believe than the PLP has no one sane, likeable and not close to Blair (which is a a condition to be able to win). |
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 7, 2017 12:18:59 GMT
Jesus of Nazareth was not in fact available as a candidate. I have an hard time to believe than the PLP has no one sane, likeable and not close to Blair (which is a a condition to be able to win). Well, it does of course; but it has no mechanism at all for such a person to actually achieve it. The PLP is the natural and obvious place for such reasoned and sensible decisions to be made. But the party has a skilfully crafted mechanism for putting the choice in the hands of very young, inexperienced and predominantly stupid groundlings to ensure that they retain theoretical and policy purity untainted by any form of office. Great scheme. I am very much in favour. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 7, 2017 12:23:10 GMT
Jesus of Nazareth was not in fact available as a candidate. I have an hard time to believe than the PLP has no one sane, likeable and not close to Blair (which is a a condition to be able to win). There are such people, but they are mostly not terribly experienced. We are paying the price now for both Blair and (even more so) Brown valuing unquestioning conformity over actual ability, and moulding much of the PLP in that vein. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 7, 2017 13:01:25 GMT
I have an hard time to believe than the PLP has no one sane, likeable and not close to Blair (which is a a condition to be able to win). There are such people, but they are mostly not terribly experienced. We are paying the price now for both Blair and (even more so) Brown valuing unquestioning conformity over actual ability, and moulding much of the PLP in that vein. I'm not sure how that's got anything to do with Brown and Blair, After an extended period of government most of your experienced candidates are going to be past their sell by date or damaged in some way by the political process and when you then suffer an electoral defeat few, if any of the new candidates will have had the necessary experience. Witness the Tories post 1997. |
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Post by thirdchill on Jan 7, 2017 13:28:20 GMT
 I think it will be a Conservative win in Copeland I don't. Labour have quite a high floor for their support around here, and by-elections don't really tend to link directly with performance in opinion polls. If labour choose a reasonable candidate with some local connections, who is reasonably competent and who supports nuclear power locally (regardless of whether they are on the left or right of the party) then they should be fine here. However, as Crimson King kindly pointed out another thread, I was hopelessly wrong with Trump and the US Presidential election. Hope my prediction is as inaccurate in this case. |
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Post by right on Jan 7, 2017 13:36:27 GMT
I think it will be a Conservative win in Copeland I don't. Labour have quite a high floor for their support around here, and by-elections don't really tend to link directly with performance in opinion polls. If labour choose a reasonable candidate with some local connections, who is reasonably competent and who supports nuclear power locally (regardless of whether they are on the left or right of the party) then they should be fine here. However, as Crimson King kindly pointed out another thread, I was hopelessly wrong with Trump and the US Presidential election. Hope my prediction is as inaccurate in this case. I would add the caveat, and has not been anti-nuclear in the past. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 7, 2017 13:41:37 GMT
I don't. Labour have quite a high floor for their support around here, and by-elections don't really tend to link directly with performance in opinion polls. If labour choose a reasonable candidate with some local connections, who is reasonably competent and who supports nuclear power locally (regardless of whether they are on the left or right of the party) then they should be fine here. However, as Crimson King kindly pointed out another thread, I was hopelessly wrong with Trump and the US Presidential election. Hope my prediction is as inaccurate in this case. I would add the caveat, and has not been anti-nuclear in the past. And not a Corbynista, not too young, has had a proper job, is a local or has real local connections. I doubt they will pull this off. |
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Post by andrew111 on Jan 7, 2017 14:00:15 GMT
I would add the caveat, and has not been anti-nuclear in the past. And not a Corbynista, not too young, has had a proper job, is a local or has real local connections. I doubt they will pull this off. They also have to make sure that when momentumistas flood the constituency or telephone canvas they stick to the local rather than the Corbyn line on nuclear power. A glance at #Copelandbyelection shows that the Tories are focussing exclusively on Sellafield. (mind you there are probably Tory voters up Wasdale who would rather like the blot on the horizon that is Sellafield to be removed! ) I think Rachel Holliday could pull this off for Labour, personally... labourlist.org/2017/01/copeland-unite-activist-pledges-to-stand-up-for-hospital-and-nuclear-workers/ Will they select her though?? |
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 7, 2017 14:01:49 GMT
I would add the caveat, and has not been anti-nuclear in the past. And not a Corbynista, not too young, has had a proper job, is a local or has real local connections. I doubt they will pull this off. Why do you doubt that? There are certainly people around who would fit those categories fairly well. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 7, 2017 14:11:24 GMT
And not a Corbynista, not too young, has had a proper job, is a local or has real local connections. I doubt they will pull this off. Why do you doubt that? There are certainly people around who would fit those categories fairly well. Agreed. Easy to fulfil but I don't think that your party will do so. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 7, 2017 14:15:23 GMT
In terms of what is and isn't realistic over selections, do everyone please note that His Grace a) has a vote b) will know personally others that do c) will have a good idea about the rest...
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 7, 2017 14:25:06 GMT
In terms of what is and isn't realistic over selections, do everyone please note that His Grace a) has a vote b) will know personally others that do c) will have a good idea about the rest... If he was the sole person to make that choice I am certain it would be an excellent candidate.............BUT! |
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Post by right on Jan 7, 2017 14:25:50 GMT
I would add the caveat, and has not been anti-nuclear in the past. And not a Corbynista, not too young, has had a proper job, is a local or has real local connections. I doubt they will pull this off. They did when replacing Michael Meacher. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 7, 2017 14:29:24 GMT
And not a Corbynista, not too young, has had a proper job, is a local or has real local connections. I doubt they will pull this off. They did when replacing Michael Meacher. We shall see? I hope it will be a really duff choice of course. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 7, 2017 14:42:47 GMT
I don't. Labour have quite a high floor for their support around here, and by-elections don't really tend to link directly with performance in opinion polls. If labour choose a reasonable candidate with some local connections, who is reasonably competent and who supports nuclear power locally (regardless of whether they are on the left or right of the party) then they should be fine here. However, as Crimson King kindly pointed out another thread, I was hopelessly wrong with Trump and the US Presidential election. Hope my prediction is as inaccurate in this case. I would add the caveat, and has not been anti-nuclear in the past. And ........has a nuclear powered car, carries uranium around with them at all times and would personally site a cruise missile in their own back garden. Let's not pussyfoot around here... |
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 7, 2017 14:54:17 GMT
I would add the caveat, and has not been anti-nuclear in the past. And ........has a nuclear powered car, carries uranium around with them at all times and would personally site a cruise missile in their own back garden. Let's not pussyfoot around here... Ehh! Lad. When we were young we were soo radioactive we could rade t'labels on sauce bottles by holding 'em up to grampa. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 7, 2017 14:59:02 GMT
And ........has a nuclear powered car, carries uranium around with them at all times and would personally site a cruise missile in their own back garden. Let's not pussyfoot around here... Ehh! Lad. When we were young we were soo radioactive we could rade t'labels on sauce bottles by holding 'em up to grampa. Which irresistibly reminded me of these adverts - I'm sure someone parodied them at some point |
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Post by maxque on Jan 7, 2017 15:00:28 GMT
I have an hard time to believe than the PLP has no one sane, likeable and not close to Blair (which is a a condition to be able to win). Well, it does of course; but it has no mechanism at all for such a person to actually achieve it. The PLP is the natural and obvious place for such reasoned and sensible decisions to be made. But the party has a skilfully crafted mechanism for putting the choice in the hands of very young, inexperienced and predominantly stupid groundlings to ensure that they retain theoretical and policy purity untainted by any form of office. Great scheme. I am very much in favour. Given the PLP came up with Eagle and Smith, I have doubts about their judgement. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 7, 2017 15:45:31 GMT
They did when replacing Michael Meacher. We shall see? I hope it will be a really duff choice of course. Interesting thought. I'll see if she's available. |
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