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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 15:02:35 GMT
so was your preference a minority Tory administration? ( would just have been possible then - hardly relevant to the Dutch situation I thought this thread was about). And I supported the Coalition! |
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Post by mboy on Mar 31, 2017 19:23:38 GMT
Yeh yeh yeh Bish - coz as we've learned since 2015, there really is no difference between the Coalition and a Tory majority.  To an extent that is true, but it is not the point. Even if coalition was unavoidable, I could provide a whole list of things you could - and should - have done differently. So could you if you are being honest..... Absolutely Bish! But the things that we did wrong in no way warranted either our subsequent annihilation, nor the 5 years of vicious bile from the Left (which still hasn't subsided from a vocal minority). I mean, it's not like we launched an illegal invasion of a country, or something of a magnitude that changed global history for the worse... |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 31, 2017 21:54:58 GMT
Ignoring the broad substance of your post, what law was broken? The illegal war line comes out a lot without anyone explaining what law Blair broke and no attempts at a private prosecution.
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Post by mboy on Apr 1, 2017 9:00:17 GMT
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 1, 2017 15:05:21 GMT
Anyway. The Netherlands.
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Post by mazuz on Apr 2, 2017 1:13:56 GMT
And the alternative is for the liberal left to join the VVD led coalition, which then continues to pursue right wing policies, followed by the collapse of those parties at a subsequent election. A VVD led minority coalition would either have to rely on Wilders and other loons, or be short lived.... Relevant to both the Netherlands and the UK..... It would also put pressure on the CDA to move towards the centre again. The historical situation was that the CDA could ally with both the left and the right, and their drift to the right is what has broken the equilibrium of the system so only governments based on the right are possible. No, it is rather their electoral decline -- with their voters mainly going to the more right-wing VVD (and to the PVV) -- that caused this to happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 9:48:56 GMT
It would also put pressure on the CDA to move towards the centre again. The historical situation was that the CDA could ally with both the left and the right, and their drift to the right is what has broken the equilibrium of the system so only governments based on the right are possible. No, it is rather their electoral decline -- with their voters mainly going to the more right-wing VVD (and to the PVV) -- that caused this to happen. Presumably both factors played a part. They refused to consider governing with the left during the campaign. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 2, 2017 16:16:00 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 2, 2017 16:24:15 GMT
The Dutchies passed on the left hand side?
I'll get my coat.
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Post by mazuz on Apr 2, 2017 21:05:46 GMT
No, it is rather their electoral decline -- with their voters mainly going to the more right-wing VVD (and to the PVV) -- that caused this to happen. Presumably both factors played a part. They refused to consider governing with the left during the campaign. They did so because it was clear that CDA+PvdA+[insert other relatively centrist party here] would never get a majority. What's more, we shouldn't pretend CDA have always been eager to govern with the PvdA. The two parties have often had a very rocky relationship and the Nolens doctrine, on the basis of which Christian Democrats should only engage in government cooperation with Social Democrats in cases of "utter necessity", is very old. Christian Democrats have usually preferred to govern with the VVD and especially eschewed cooperation with the PvdA in times when the latter party were more ideological and less pragmatic. Only once did Christian Democrats enter the government with a whole bunch of left-wing parties; in other cases, they went into government with only the PvdA, with PvdA+D66 (which collapsed in a year) or with PvdA+CU (this combination, of course, being much less problematic for the CDA). It's not as if the CDA would happily have entered a government with D66, PvdA, GL and potentially even SP in the 90s or 00s. That was never a realistic scenario, with or without the party making a turn to the right. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 4, 2017 12:43:40 GMT
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 10, 2017 17:48:44 GMT
 Four parties down and still none from the Left. Anyway, next time you see a D66 map their best percentage will be like 5% in some small university city. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 13, 2017 0:12:50 GMT
 Finally, a Left party. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 13, 2017 6:35:24 GMT
Looks to me like GL were far stronger around Amsterdam than Rotterdam, when I expected it would be more even. Did one of the other Left parties do far better in Rotterdam than Amsterdam?
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 15, 2017 18:04:48 GMT
Looks to me like GL were far stronger around Amsterdam than Rotterdam, when I expected it would be more even. Did one of the other Left parties do far better in Rotterdam than Amsterdam? SP |
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 15, 2017 18:44:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 16:59:28 GMT
The coalition talks have collapsed due to disagreement over immigration and economy (with CDA reportedly being less wiling to compromise with GL than VVD), they will likely try VVD-CDA-D66-CU, but it will be problematic for D66 and it may end up with a VVD-CDA-D66 minority government (or less likely new elections). D66 is in a difficult situation.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 9, 2017 10:22:24 GMT
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Post by thetop on Oct 9, 2017 11:53:21 GMT
That gives them a solitary seat majority, doesn't it?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 9, 2017 20:49:40 GMT
That gives them a solitary seat majority, doesn't it? It does indeed. I wonder if our Dutch posters might have a view? |
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