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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2016 21:44:04 GMT
The Peasant and Greens won 35 of 40 run-offs, while Homeland only won 10 of 42.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2016 21:49:55 GMT
Final result (1st round + 2nd round)
Peasant and Greens (19+35) 54
Homeland Union (21+10) 31
Social Democrats (13+4) 17
Liberal Movement (8+6) 14
Order and Justice (5+3) 8
Electoral Action of Poles (7+1) 8
Labour (0+2) 2
Greens (0+1) 1
Political party "List of Lithuania" (0+1) 1
Anti-corruption coalition of N. Puteikio and K. Krivicko (Lithuanian Centre Party, Lithuanian Party of Pensioners) (0+1) 1
Independents 0+4) 4
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2016 22:04:12 GMT
Final result (1st round + 2nd round) Peasant and Greens (19+35) 54 Homeland Union (21+10) 31 Social Democrats (13+4) 17 Liberal Movement (8+6) 14 Order and Justice (5+3) 8 Electoral Action of Poles (7+1) 8 Labour (0+2) 2 Greens (0+1) 1 Political party "List of Lithuania" (0+1) 1 Anti-corruption coalition of N. Puteikio and K. Krivicko (Lithuanian Centre Party, Lithuanian Party of Pensioners) (0+1) 1 Independents 0+4) 4 Worth noticing that the Peasants and the Social Democrats have a majority. Although the smallest possible, that gives the Peasants a very strong position in negotiations with Homeland. Their lead also makes it almost impossible for the president to bypass Skvernelis as PM in a Peasant/Homeland coalition. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2016 22:11:31 GMT
The much talked about so-called Rainbow Coalition between the three "non-populist" parties (Homeland, Liberals and Social Democrats) only has 62 seats and would need to include the Poles and at least one of the small parties, which would make it very unstable, so there is de facto no alternative to the Peasants.
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Post by hedgehog on Oct 23, 2016 22:34:41 GMT
The much talked about so-called Rainbow Coalition between the three "non-populist" parties (Homeland, Liberals and Social Democrats) only has 62 seats and would need to include the Poles and at least one of the small parties, which would make it very unstable, so there is de facto no alternative to the Peasants. I notice from wikipedia that both the Peasants and Greens, and the Lithuanian Green party are described as centerist parties, would the Lithuanian Green party join the Peasants and Greens in a coalition, what are the main policy differences or is it down to personality differences between the 2 parties. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2016 22:43:57 GMT
The much talked about so-called Rainbow Coalition between the three "non-populist" parties (Homeland, Liberals and Social Democrats) only has 62 seats and would need to include the Poles and at least one of the small parties, which would make it very unstable, so there is de facto no alternative to the Peasants. I notice from wikipedia that both the Peasants and Greens, and the Lithuanian Green party are described as centerist parties, would the Lithuanian Green party join the Peasants and Greens in a coalition, what are the main policy differences or is it down to personality differences between the 2 parties. The Greens are an actual Green party whereas the Peasant and Greens (like the Latvian combo with a similar name) is an oligarch controlled "agrarian"/populist party. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 24, 2016 5:49:47 GMT
I notice from wikipedia that both the Peasants and Greens, and the Lithuanian Green party are described as centerist parties, would the Lithuanian Green party join the Peasants and Greens in a coalition, what are the main policy differences or is it down to personality differences between the 2 parties. The Greens are an actual Green party whereas the Peasant and Greens (like the Latvian combo with a similar name) is an oligarch controlled "agrarian"/populist party. As in Latvia the Peasants&Greens are members of the EGP, but a visit of westeuropean Greenies in that oligarch's wellness-sect-imperium might be an amusing event... |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Oct 24, 2016 6:21:47 GMT
Final result (1st round + 2nd round) Peasant and Greens (19+35) 54 Homeland Union (21+10) 31 Social Democrats (13+4) 17 Liberal Movement (8+6) 14 Order and Justice (5+3) 8 Electoral Action of Poles (7+1) 8 Labour (0+2) 2 Greens (0+1) 1 Political party "List of Lithuania" (0+1) 1 Anti-corruption coalition of N. Puteikio and K. Krivicko (Lithuanian Centre Party, Lithuanian Party of Pensioners) (0+1) 1 Independents 0+4) 4
Liberal Movement 14 (+4)
Order and Justice 8 (-3)
Electoral Action of Poles 8 (±)
Labour 2 (-27)
Greens 1 (+1)
Others 6 (+6)
The Way of Courage 0 (-7)2011 Seimas  2016 Seimas  |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Oct 24, 2016 6:22:20 GMT
Final result (1st round + 2nd round) Peasant and Greens (19+35) 54 Homeland Union (21+10) 31 Social Democrats (13+4) 17 Liberal Movement (8+6) 14 Order and Justice (5+3) 8 Electoral Action of Poles (7+1) 8 Labour (0+2) 2 Greens (0+1) 1 Political party "List of Lithuania" (0+1) 1 Anti-corruption coalition of N. Puteikio and K. Krivicko (Lithuanian Centre Party, Lithuanian Party of Pensioners) (0+1) 1 Independents 0+4) 4
Liberal Movement 14 (+4)
Order and Justice 8 (-3)
Electoral Action of Poles 8 (±)
Labour 2 (-27)
Greens 1 (+1)
Others 6 (+6)
The Way of Courage 0 (-7)2011 Seimas 2016 Seimas |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Oct 24, 2016 6:23:59 GMT
Final result (1st round + 2nd round) Peasant and Greens (19+35) 54 Homeland Union (21+10) 31 Social Democrats (13+4) 17 Liberal Movement (8+6) 14 Order and Justice (5+3) 8 Electoral Action of Poles (7+1) 8 Labour (0+2) 2 Greens (0+1) 1 Political party "List of Lithuania" (0+1) 1 Anti-corruption coalition of N. Puteikio and K. Krivicko (Lithuanian Centre Party, Lithuanian Party of Pensioners) (0+1) 1 Independents 0+4) 4
Liberal Movement 14 (+4)
Order and Justice 8 (-3)
Electoral Action of Poles 8 (±)
Labour 2 (-27)
Greens 1 (+1)
Others 6 (+6)
The Way of Courage 0 (-7)2011 Seimas 2016 Seimas To get the correct party colour just google Category:COUNTRYNAME political party colour templates and there is a list of all parties and you click on the party you want and up comes that parties colour hexcode |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Oct 24, 2016 6:51:01 GMT
I notice from wikipedia that both the Peasants and Greens, and the Lithuanian Green party are described as centerist parties, would the Lithuanian Green party join the Peasants and Greens in a coalition, what are the main policy differences or is it down to personality differences between the 2 parties. The Greens are an actual Green party whereas the Peasant and Greens (like the Latvian combo with a similar name) is an oligarch controlled "agrarian"/populist party. Firstly, I would say that Peasants & Greens would be better described as a Nordic Agrarian party as it has significantly diversified from Farmers Secondly, You mean Union of Greens & Farmers which is also leading in the polls in Latvia, though as our De Facto International Elections Analyst you would probably know that Which leads on to Thirdly, given the current performance of Baltic Agrarian parties (see list below) do you think a trend is happening? Finland, at the election last year Centre gained 14 seats and 5% of the vote, taking it from 4th to 1st, mainly at the expense of the main right-wing party National Coalition Estonia, Centre is remaining steady in the polls ahead of the main right-wing part Reform who have seen their vote down by 8% since the last election Latvia, the Union of Greens & Farmers is picking up considerably in the polls, up 10% since the last election, almost all of their increase is coming from the vote collapse of the main right-wing part Unity which is down over 10% Lithuania, of course we are right now discussing Peasant & Greens stellar performance, picking up 53 seats |
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Post by IceAgeComing on Oct 24, 2016 7:39:18 GMT
A big part of the Estonian Centre Party's vote is Russian speakers who don't really have any credible alternative to move to, and that among other factors make it not very palatable to lots of Estonians, hence why its vote is usually rather stable. Its similar in that its a populist personality party that claims whatever it needs in order to gain power; the difference is that everyone actually knows that the thing is corrupt while we're only assuming that the Peasants and Greens are...
e: looking at the map at the bits of Lithuania I kinda know a bit there are some interesting splits: the way that Klaipeda is split is rather interesting - you have one seat that's basically everything north of the university up the coast towards Palanga which elected one of the two leaders of the anti-corruption coalition; one that seems to be the old city centre, the port and which also contains the Curonian Spit which is the sensible way of doing things (it elected a Liberal); and then the rest of the city which I'm pretty sure is a lot newer (Soviet era stuff and some newbuild as well; although with how the place was killed during the war there are lots of Soviet monstrosities everywhere) which elected a Peasant and Green. |
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Post by hedgehog on Oct 24, 2016 7:49:09 GMT
I notice from wikipedia that both the Peasants and Greens, and the Lithuanian Green party are described as centerist parties, would the Lithuanian Green party join the Peasants and Greens in a coalition, what are the main policy differences or is it down to personality differences between the 2 parties. The Greens are an actual Green party whereas the Peasant and Greens (like the Latvian combo with a similar name) is an oligarch controlled "agrarian"/populist party. Do you have a link to there policy programme. |
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Post by IceAgeComing on Oct 24, 2016 8:03:56 GMT
the proper Greens have their election platform (in both short, long and video form) here but I hope that your Lithuanian is good...
the Peasants and Greens one is here, again in Lithuanian though. For parties like them though what they put in their manifesto often isn't what they do in government, just look at the Latvian 'greens'. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 24, 2016 10:18:48 GMT
On mention of Finland...it should be remembered that it has two agrarian parties- Centre, and the True Finns, who are a derived party.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 24, 2016 16:25:51 GMT
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Oct 27, 2016 3:34:50 GMT
Any ideas on Coalition composition
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 9:53:28 GMT
Any ideas on Coalition composition The Peasants want a very broad coalition with both Homeland and the Social Democrats (in order not to be left alone with one of them and be able to balance them against each other); Homeland want the coalition to include the Liberals instead. The president has warned against an "artificial" coalition (implying she would not approve one with both Homeland and Social Democrats), but President Dalia Grybauskaitė now says that she will not put any pressure on the Peasant and Green Union over coalition partners. So both Homeland and the Peasants try to avoid a two-party government with the inevitable direct confrontation that would lead to. The Peasant and Greens have formally announced that Saulius Skvernelis is their candidate for PM. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 19:47:52 GMT
After the Social Democrats board meeting on Saturday approved a coalition in principle the Peasant and Greens Union (LVŽS) and the Social Democrats (LSDP) are now entering a more serious phase in their coalition talks and trying to decide on a common government platform. The have agreed on the number of ministries in the future cabinet for each party, with 11 to LVŽS and three to the LSDP.
Persistent rumors that some "renegades" from Homeland may join them.
The board of the Social Democrats have declined to receive Algirdas Butkevičius resignation as party chairman.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Nov 7, 2016 22:51:46 GMT
Once again participation in government, with only 3/14 ministries and a narrow majority (?) - could be the end for the KP-apparatshiks...
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