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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 11, 2016 19:18:00 GMT
Candidates in the run-offs: Peasant and Greens 42 Sounds like an upmarket health food shop. Or a vehicle for hedgehog to ascend to power! |
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Post by hedgehog on Oct 11, 2016 19:34:12 GMT
Sounds like an upmarket health food shop. Or a vehicle for hedgehog to ascend to power! My Lithuanian isn't upto much, I did once try to learn Ukrainian, was trying to chat up a girl from there, but I found the language to difficult. Peasants and Greens does sound cool though, I will send them my support. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 11, 2016 20:51:53 GMT
Or a vehicle for hedgehog to ascend to power! My Lithuanian isn't upto much, I did once try to learn Ukrainian, was trying to chat up a girl from there, but I found the language to difficult. Peasants and Greens does sound cool though, I will send them my support. A top fact for you- Lithuanian is believed to be the language that has changed the least from Proto-Indo-European, and has some features that have been lost from pretty much every Indo-European language except Ancient Greek and Sanskrit. |
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Post by hedgehog on Oct 11, 2016 21:55:03 GMT
My Lithuanian isn't upto much, I did once try to learn Ukrainian, was trying to chat up a girl from there, but I found the language to difficult. Peasants and Greens does sound cool though, I will send them my support. A top fact for you- Lithuanian is believed to be the language that has changed the least from Proto-Indo-European, and has some features that have been lost from pretty much every Indo-European language except Ancient Greek and Sanskrit. Im suprised, I would have expected the various Polish/Lithuanian unions and commonwealth to have had quite an impact on both countries languages. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 22:01:59 GMT
A top fact for you- Lithuanian is believed to be the language that has changed the least from Proto-Indo-European, and has some features that have been lost from pretty much every Indo-European language except Ancient Greek and Sanskrit. Im suprised, I would have expected the various Polish/Lithuanian unions and commonwealth to have had quite an impact on both countries languages. The Lithuanian aristocracy was fully polonized, but not the peasantry. Lithuania was much too small for Lithuanian to influence Polish. The language has modernized somewhat in the 20th century. It still had dualis in the 20s, but that is gone except in a few dialects and poetry. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 22:22:30 GMT
Prussian Lithuanian in the border regions of Eastern Prussia preserved old forms and Jonas Jablonskis, who standardized modern Lithuanian, combined his own archaic West Aukštaitian highland dialect with elements of Prussian Lithuanian (gradually being replaced by German in the late 1800s) and weeded out Polish and Belarusian words; by-passing the lowland Samogitian dialects, which were more modern (closer to Latvian). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonas_Jablonskis |
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Post by Foggy on Oct 12, 2016 1:45:46 GMT
Self-non-made maps: FirstParty/Candidate in FPTP (Although Foggy is inevitably going to protest - correctly! -, that FPTP is also a kind of PR...): I am not going to do so, and that would not be correct. Either you're confusing me with someone else, or you misread my post from earlier in this thread. I am one of the forum's biggest advocates for variants on the German/Kiwi-Scottish system. That map gives us a clue as to what would Lithuania might look like under pure FPTP. However, Lithuania doesn't use FPTP to allocate any of its seats in Parliament. The first map merely shows which party is leading in each constituency after the first round. A two-round system in single-member constituencies (which in any case only accounts for half the seats in this instance) is neither PR nor FPTP, but it is still majoritarian. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 4:41:17 GMT
A top fact for you- Lithuanian is believed to be the language that has changed the least from Proto-Indo-European, and has some features that have been lost from pretty much every Indo-European language except Ancient Greek and Sanskrit. Im suprised, I would have expected the various Polish/Lithuanian unions and commonwealth to have had quite an impact on both countries languages. Polish and Ukrainian are, to some degree, mutually intelligible. Lithuanian does contain a significant number of loanwords from Polish, Belarusian and German, but Lithuanian and Latvian (along with the extinct Old Prussian) are no more than distant cousins to the Slavic languages, and mutual influences are limited. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 5:00:12 GMT
Im suprised, I would have expected the various Polish/Lithuanian unions and commonwealth to have had quite an impact on both countries languages. The Lithuanian aristocracy was fully polonized, but not the peasantry. Lithuania was much too small for Lithuanian to influence Polish. The language has modernized somewhat in the 20th century. It still had dualis in the 20s, but that is gone except in a few dialects and poetry. There has been some retreat of Lithuanian since the Middle Ages (see first map below), and much of the eastern part of historic Lithuania acquired a predominantly Polish and Jewish character in the centuries after the union (See second map, from 1916). When Poland and Lithuania were re-established as independent states following WWI, there was a bitter border dispute between them, in which Poland sought a settlement based on current language distribution, while Lithuania stressed historical claims. Poland got its way, being many times larger. Most of the Poles east of the Curzon Line (more than two million) were forcibly relocated by the Soviet government after WWII, and the Vilna/Wilno/Vilnius territory was re-partitioned between the Lithuanian and Belarusian SSRs. Lithuania now has only a small Polish minority.   |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2016 12:20:54 GMT
Bishop Emeritus Jonas Kauneckas accuses Homeland Union leader Gabrielius Landsbergis of hypocrisy. According to the bishop, the pro-gay/civil unions statements by the chairman do not "reflect the moral principles of Christianity", despite Landsbergis declaring himself a friend of the Church and "being expected to represent the interests of believers". The church had previously been remarkably quiet regarding this.
(the full name of the party is Homeland Union – Lithuanian Christian Democrats)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2016 12:31:03 GMT
Ramūnas Karbauskis is now said to have added the Liberals to the list of "corruption tainted" parties he will not negotiate with (in addition to Labour and Order and Justice). The Peasant and Greens prefer a two party coalition with Homeland in order to be in a stronger position rather than facing a two-party bloc. Some talk Karbauskis’ own business connections with the East (ie. Russia and Belarus) might make Landsbergis skeptical of giving him too much power. Since Homeland and the Peasant and Greens might end up more or less tied in seats there is also the question of who should lead such a coalition.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 13:12:03 GMT
The Central Electoral Commission (VRK) has hinted at removing Order and Justice from the elections due to suspicion of vote buying (in Šilutė). If that happens their seats will be distributed to other parties as if the party hadn't contested, but not influence the threshold (so Labour is still out).
Order and Justice got 5.33% of the vote and 5 seats. Another 5 of their candidates entered the second round.
Also continued talk of a merger of Labour with Order and Justice, but this would not influence the current election.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 13:28:24 GMT
The Peasant and Greens try to scare voters with the possibility of a Homeland/Social Democratic "Rainbow Coalition" if they do not get enough seats.
One of the problems with a "Peasant"/Homeland coalition is that the Peasant and Greens want to nationalize certain sectors:
- state pharmacies at public clinics and hospitals to reduce medication prices.
- the state and municipalities should be obliged to run heating and garbage disposal.
- state run alcohol stores (not open during weekends). No advertising, and no entry to juveniles and inebriated individuals.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2016 22:04:19 GMT
Interesting hypothesis from a Lithuanian political journalist: President Dalia Grybauskaitė dislikes former Minister of the Interior Saulius Skvernelis, who is the "Peasants" PM candidate, and thought he was a useless show-off as minister. If the “Peasants” form a coalition with Homeland Grybauskaitė is therefore expected to pick a Homeland candidate for PM. If the “Peasants” partner with the Social Democrats, which she detests, the president will opt for the lesser of two evils, which will be Skvernelis.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 23, 2016 18:41:25 GMT
On LRT 130/141 seats are allocoted:
49 Greens&Peasants
25 Conservatives
18 SocialDemocrats
14 Liberals
08 Paksas
08 Poles
03 "Labour"
02 Independents (?)
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 23, 2016 19:15:46 GMT
1.500/1.921 counted:
55 Peasants&Greens
29 Cons.
18 SDP
15 Lib.
08 Paksas
08 Poles
02 "Labour"
01 AntiCorruption
04 Indep.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2016 21:37:37 GMT
Prime Minister Algirdas Butkevičius has failed to win his constituency in Vilkaviškis, which he had held since 1996.
Kęstutis Smirnovas from the Peasant and Greens won the run-off with 49.4%, defeating Butkevicius who got 47.4%.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 23, 2016 21:38:40 GMT
SemiFinal result:
54 +53 Centre
31 -02 Cons.
17 -21 SD
14 +04 Lib.
08 +/-0 Poles
08 -03 Paksas
02 -27 LabourP.
01 *01 AntiCorruptionP.
01 *01 L.GreenP.
04 +01 Independents
Would be difficult without the "Greens"...
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