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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 18:58:01 GMT
 mwahahahahahahahaha Ribbons over Scotland! 4 of 4 seats border England! 4 of 4 seats have territory north of Aberdeen! So, what are you going to call them? |
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Post by nobodyimportant on Jul 21, 2018 9:41:43 GMT
Here's 5:  Add the Northern Isles to green one and the Western Isles to the orange one for the electorates to be within 1% of each other. More than 5 is impossible as there are often just 5 wards from west coast to east coast. |
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Post by piperdave on Jul 24, 2018 18:48:05 GMT
mwahahahahahahahaha Ribbons over Scotland! 4 of 4 seats border England! 4 of 4 seats have territory north of Aberdeen! So, what are you going to call them? Scotland West Scotland Centre-West Scotland Centre-East Scotland East Almost as good as the old European constituencies! |
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Post by tiberius on Sept 24, 2018 18:26:06 GMT
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Post by tiberius on Sept 24, 2018 19:47:41 GMT
 Torymander in Cambridgeshire and Norfolk The marginal, Norwich North, has lost one Labour ward (Miles Cross) and gained around a dozen wards in rural areas north of Norwich. Another marginal, Peterborough, has been split in two. The 8 wards that voted for Fiona Onasanya were split between 2 Tory seats. Cambridge has been sliced in three. North Norfolk has been divided in 2, which may be enough to defeat Lib Dem MP Norman Lamb. Downside: the cracking of Cambridge leaves three seats vulnerable to the Liberal Democrats. |
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Post by tiberius on Sept 24, 2018 20:45:01 GMT
 Tory gerrymander of Bedfordshire. There is a Labour vote sink in Luton, and the rest of Luton is split between 2 seats. Bedford is split in three. |
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Post by Penddu on Jun 30, 2019 6:50:42 GMT
Not sure if this counts as gerrymandering...but has anyone looked at a map of Bristol and in particular the ward of Avonmouth which includes a huge uninhabited strip of the River Severn to take in the island of Steepholm. Why is Steepholm not attached to neighbouring Weston SM.
The strip also runs right up to the island of Flatholm which is part of Cardiff and the natural border should be equidistant between the two islands......anyone know the history of this?
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Post by Penddu on Jun 30, 2019 7:06:07 GMT
Not sure if this counts as gerrymandering...but has anyone looked at a map of Bristol and in particular the ward of Avonmouth which includes a huge uninhabited strip of the River Severn to take in the island of Steepholm. Why is Steepholm not attached to neighbouring Weston SM. The strip also runs right up to the island of Flatholm which is part of Cardiff and the natural border should be equidistant between the two islands......anyone know the history of this? I have just looked up the boundaries of the Welsh Economic Zone and it shows the international boundary as being equidistant between Steep Holm and Flatholm. In which case there is an area of Wales which is represented by an English constituency..... |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jun 30, 2019 8:29:55 GMT
Not sure if this counts as gerrymandering...but has anyone looked at a map of Bristol and in particular the ward of Avonmouth which includes a huge uninhabited strip of the River Severn to take in the island of Steepholm. Why is Steepholm not attached to neighbouring Weston SM. The strip also runs right up to the island of Flatholm which is part of Cardiff and the natural border should be equidistant between the two islands......anyone know the history of this? And the most bizarre thing of all? Flat Holm belongs to the Butetown ward of Cardiff and therefore elects an MP for Cardiff South whereas Steep Holm elects an MP for Weston Super Mare? |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 30, 2019 9:02:17 GMT
This has been discussed before on here (not least by yours truly) The consensus seems to be it is some sort of historical artefact re the Port of Bristol.
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Post by Penddu on Jun 30, 2019 9:06:26 GMT
Harry I think you have missed the point... My first point is that Steep Holm elects an MP for a Bristol seat not a Weston SM...look at it on Boundary Assistant..it is very detached.
My second point is that the Ward boundary of Avonmouth disregards the agreed national boundary between England and Wales. I know it is only water and there are no people affected but it may have an economic affect, for example in agreeing revenue distribution from a future Severn Barrage...
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Post by Penddu on Jun 30, 2019 9:07:24 GMT
This has been discussed before on here (not least by yours truly) The consensus seems to be it is some sort of historical artefact re the Port of Bristol. Interesting...any idea where/when it was discussed... i woukd like to follow.. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 30, 2019 9:17:50 GMT
No the Bristol extension in the Severn estuary does not include either of the islands - that is what makes it even odder.
(Flat Holm is part of Cardiff, Steep Holm in N Somerset)
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Post by Penddu on Jun 30, 2019 10:25:14 GMT
No the Bristol extension in the Severn estuary does not include either of the islands - that is what makes it even odder. (Flat Holm is part of Cardiff, Steep Holm in N Somerset) Ah..I misread the map. (Sorry Harry - I see your point now). That makes it even wierder... |
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Post by Penddu on Jun 30, 2019 10:27:05 GMT
Not sure if this counts as gerrymandering...but has anyone looked at a map of Bristol and in particular the ward of Avonmouth which includes a huge uninhabited strip of the River Severn to take in the island of Steepholm. Why is Steepholm not attached to neighbouring Weston SM. The strip also runs right up to the island of Flatholm which is part of Cardiff and the natural border should be equidistant between the two islands......anyone know the history of this? And the most bizarre thing of all? Flat Holm belongs to the Butetown ward of Cardiff and therefore elects an MP for Cardiff South whereas Steep Holm elects an MP for Weston Super Mare? Apolgies Harry. I thought that the island itself was in the Avonmouth ward. I misread the map - which now makes even less sense.... |
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Post by cibwr on Jul 2, 2019 9:00:26 GMT
Not sure if this counts as gerrymandering...but has anyone looked at a map of Bristol and in particular the ward of Avonmouth which includes a huge uninhabited strip of the River Severn to take in the island of Steepholm. Why is Steepholm not attached to neighbouring Weston SM. The strip also runs right up to the island of Flatholm which is part of Cardiff and the natural border should be equidistant between the two islands......anyone know the history of this? And the most bizarre thing of all? Flat Holm belongs to the Butetown ward of Cardiff and therefore elects an MP for Cardiff South whereas Steep Holm elects an MP for Weston Super Mare? Total residents on Flatholm (Unless you take in Torchwood's hospital there) is 1. Worth a canvassing trip I think. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jul 2, 2019 10:22:34 GMT
And the most bizarre thing of all? Flat Holm belongs to the Butetown ward of Cardiff and therefore elects an MP for Cardiff South whereas Steep Holm elects an MP for Weston Super Mare? Total residents on Flatholm (Unless you take in Torchwood's hospital there) is 1. Worth a canvassing trip I think. I think we covered this before. At some point in the past Bristol extended its boundaries to include the Bristol Roads, probably so that it had explicit exclusive control of the access to its harbours. Aberdeen has a similar extended maritime lump. It does mean that boundary maps look odd when they use the maritime boundary instead of the high tide line. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 2, 2019 10:28:37 GMT
Total residents on Flatholm (Unless you take in Torchwood's hospital there) is 1. Worth a canvassing trip I think. I think we covered this before. At some point in the past Bristol extended its boundaries to include the Bristol Roads, probably so that it had explicit exclusive control of the access to its harbours. Aberdeen has a similar extended maritime lump. It does mean that boundary maps look odd when they use the maritime boundary instead of the high tide line. This can now be treated by keyhole surgery I believe. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jul 2, 2019 10:28:43 GMT
Total residents on Flatholm (Unless you take in Torchwood's hospital there) is 1. Worth a canvassing trip I think. I think we covered this before. At some point in the past Bristol extended its boundaries to include the Bristol Roads, probably so that it had explicit exclusive control of the access to its harbours. Aberdeen has a similar extended maritime lump. It does mean that boundary maps look odd when they use the maritime boundary instead of the high tide line. I wonder if there is a similar reason for the extension of the City of Norwich's boundaries along both banks of the River Yare downstream as far as the confluence with the River Chet? |
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Post by cibwr on Jul 6, 2019 12:38:42 GMT
Norwich is certainly an interesting place, its franchise pre the reform of municipal boroughs was unusually large - and a two chambered council too.
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