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Post by No Offence Alan on Aug 26, 2016 22:31:32 GMT
Willie was also one of two Democratic Left councillors on Fife at one time At a time when there were no Conservative councillors on Fife council. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 22:43:30 GMT
Willie was also one of two Democratic Left councillors on Fife at one time At a time when there were no Conservative councillors on Fife council. The way things are going my kids will live in a Fife with no Labour councillors. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 22:44:38 GMT
At a time when there were no Conservative councillors on Fife council. The way things are going my kids will live in a Fife with no Labour councillors. Not talking Labour down, but in Fife and Glasgow it is a possibility. |
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Post by Robert Waller on Aug 26, 2016 22:53:51 GMT
Hailsham is one of those places that surprises the uninitiated visitor (partly because it's in one of the safest Tory seats in the country, partly because it is just a posh sounding name) by being a bit of a shit hole Not all of it, by any means. But the East ward has a high proportion of social housing and I was very surprised to find that it has a full slate of Conservatives at district council level. It does seem to be ripe for picking when seriously contested. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 23:00:15 GMT
At a time when there were no Conservative councillors on Fife council. The way things are going my kids will live in a Fife with no Labour councillors. At the 2012 Fife Council election count, a Labour councillor from Kirkcaldy said to me: 'We want first past the post but we're no gettin it.' Had her wish been granted, that prospect may have been rather more likely. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 23:16:51 GMT
The way things are going my kids will live in a Fife with no Labour councillors. At the 2012 Fife Council election count, a Labour councillor from Kirkcaldy said to me: 'We want first past the post but we're no gettin it.' Had her wish been granted, that prospect may have been rather more likely. The thing is Fife SNP aren't all that united either although it is more individuals fighting over the spoils, I could consider this being a Tory /LibDem alliance quite soon, depends on when the SNP bubble pops. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 23:22:31 GMT
The way things are going my kids will live in a Fife with no Labour councillors. At the 2012 Fife Council election count, a Labour councillor from Kirkcaldy said to me: 'We want first past the post but we're no gettin it.'
Had her wish been granted, that prospect may have been rather more likely. If in 2012 she thought that it shows they, (exclude myself) are not aware of what state the party is in. In twenty years I have not attended a Branch Meeting with more than 7 people, I am sure at times there was no quorum. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 23:28:07 GMT
I could consider this being a Tory /LibDem alliance quite soon, depends on when the SNP bubble pops. Where the hell could you consider them getting the numbers for that? |
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Post by maxque on Aug 26, 2016 23:39:12 GMT
I could consider this being a Tory /LibDem alliance quite soon, depends on when the SNP bubble pops. Where the hell could you consider them getting the numbers for that? In the same fantasy world where Labour elects no one in Fife. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 23:40:21 GMT
I could consider this being a Tory /LibDem alliance quite soon, depends on when the SNP bubble pops. Where the hell could you consider them getting the numbers for that? Labour and SNP are about to haemorrhage in Fife, partially next year, and then next time. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 23:42:31 GMT
Where the hell could you consider them getting the numbers for that? In the same fantasy world where Labour elects no one in Fife. Not really, I have lived in a Scotland where the Tories got more the 50% of the national vote. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 23:45:18 GMT
Where the hell could you consider them getting the numbers for that? Labour and SNP are about to haemorrhage in Fife, partially next year, and then next time. Okay, I'll humour you. Is Glenrothes going to become a Tory stronghold or a LibDem stronghold? |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Aug 26, 2016 23:45:35 GMT
The way things are going my kids will live in a Fife with no Labour councillors. Not talking Labour down, but in Fife and Glasgow it is a possibility. Correct ne if I'm wrong, but Labour just gained this seat in Fife? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2016 0:03:46 GMT
Labour and SNP are about to haemorrhage in Fife, partially next year, and then next time. Okay, I'll humour you. Is Glenrothes going to become a Tory stronghold or a LibDem stronghold? Stand back a bit until I explain what is at the back of my mind, Scottish voting patterns are often based on who controls the assets. In the battle for the Red Clyde the CP went for the Unions and heavy industry while Labour went for Housing, and it was the allocation of housing that gave Labour the advantage over the CPGB, the Tories went for the Protestant vote. In Fife the surge for the Communists was based on the fact that they controlled the "Panel" during the depression, in a time of need the communists controlled the dole, your families welfare relied on support of the Party. (part one need a break) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2016 0:23:48 GMT
Okay, I'll humour you. Is Glenrothes going to become a Tory stronghold or a LibDem stronghold? Stand back a bit until I explain what is at the back of my mind, Scottish voting patterns are often based on who controls the assets. In the battle for the Red Clyde the CP went for the Unions and heavy industry while Labour went for Housing, and it was the allocation of housing that gave Labour the advantage over the CPGB, the Tories went for the Protestant vote. In Fife the surge for the Communists was based on the fact that they controlled the "Panel" during the depression, in a time of need the communists controlled the dole, your families welfare relied on support of the Party. (part one need a break) Part 2. Churchill realised the power of housing and made an attempt to bring it under the Scottish Office, failed to an extent but planted the seeds of autonomous housing associations, Thatcher with the right to buy completed the task of removing Labours most powerful asset. If we access Maslow's Hierarchy of needs, Labour in Fife, due to the inaction of Alex Rowley and others is redundant. There is nothing on offer.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2016 1:20:42 GMT
Labour candidate Mary Lockhart is the former chair of the Scottish Co-operative Party. For what it's worth, she campaigned for Yes in the referendum and remains pro-independence. It is actually worth a lot as Fife Labour, for what it is worth, is splitting into a Natz and Yoonz thing |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2016 1:23:34 GMT
Where the hell could you consider them getting the numbers for that? In the same fantasy world where Labour elects no one in Fife. The same fantasy world where the SNP win all the Westminster seats in Fife and Labour win only one in Scotland. |
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Post by maxque on Aug 27, 2016 1:43:21 GMT
In the same fantasy world where Labour elects no one in Fife. The same fantasy world where the SNP win all the Westminster seats in Fife and Labour win only one in Scotland. FPTP vs STV. It's actually pretty hard to be wiped out on STV. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2016 1:48:46 GMT
The same fantasy world where the SNP win all the Westminster seats in Fife and Labour win only one in Scotland. FPTP vs STV. It's actually pretty hard to be wiped out on STV. But Fife Labour arent really functioning, not worth getting worked up about but it is a shambles |
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Post by Kristofer Keane on Aug 27, 2016 7:36:39 GMT
It's hard to see how Labour could be wiped out under STV. Even in a truly atrocious year, they could probably be confident in at least one seat per working class ward, if only because the SNP have never fielded full slates for STV wards. Even if a Corbynite/Blairite split happens, the two parties would have significant transfers to each other under STV, so again, can't see a wipeout as possible.
Tory and Lib Dem territory in Fife is unlikely to ever spread outside the North East, coastal villages, and Dunfermline. Even if they won all the seats in those areas, they would still need to pick up more elsewhere for a majority.
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