Adrian
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Post by Adrian on Jul 2, 2020 0:58:21 GMT
Larger towns would be afforded the dignity of the status of Borough, meaning that the chair of the council would be a Mayor with chain of office and all, rather than a mere chairman (mutatis mutandis for female office holders). There were, I think, distinctions between the various types of council as to what powers were retained by the County Council, but I'm not entirely sure what they were. Boroughs with over 100,000 population might become a County Borough and be essentially separated from the county as far as governance was concerned. This helps to explain why some County Halls are in strange places - Derby, Nottingham and Leicester were all County Boroughs, so the county HQs were in Matlock, West Bridgford and Leicester Forest East, outside the boundaries of the titular county towns. Nottinghamshire County Council only moved to West Bridgford in the 1950s; before then it was based in the Shire Hall in Nottingham. Except that the Shire Hall wasn't actually in Nottingham, at least not in the county borough: it formed a tiny exclave of the administrative county and for a time formed Nottingham Shire Hall CP and the entirety of Nottingham Rural District. You can see this on 1950s maps, and it explains why Nottingham Central constituency was described as consisting of five wards of the County Borough and the Rural District of Nottingham. Vision of Britain shows this absurd "Rural" District as having a population of 6 in 1921, 4 in 1931 and 2 in 1941: www.visionofbritain.org.uk/unit/10474620/cube/TOT_POPFrom 1877 it was part of South Wilford parish in Basford rural (sanitary) district (which did not include Basford). It became its own little parish and RD when South Wilford was eaten up by Nottingham and West Bridgford in 1951.
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Post by andrewp on Jul 8, 2020 16:50:34 GMT
The pre 1983 Colne Valley constituency, which the Liberals won on occasions, would cover the area of which current wards?
Is it
Oldham MBC, Saddleworth North, Saddleworth South Kirklees MBC, Colne Valley, Holme Valley North, Holme Valley South, Kirkburton
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 8, 2020 17:12:21 GMT
The boundaries don't precisely match up, of course. Most of Colne Valley ward was in the constituency but a small part in the north-east of the ward wasn't. I think all of Holme Valley North, Holme Valley South and Kirkburton wards were in it.
All of Saddleworth North and South seem to have been in it, but there was a bit of what is now Saddleworth West and Lees ward in there as well.
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Post by hullenedge on Jul 8, 2020 17:33:24 GMT
Denby Dale. Kirkburton was moved into Huddersfield East in 1955.
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Post by andrewteale on Jul 8, 2020 17:55:06 GMT
The boundaries don't precisely match up, of course. Most of Colne Valley ward was in the constituency but a small part in the north-east of the ward wasn't. I think all of Holme Valley North, Holme Valley South and Kirkburton wards were in it. All of Saddleworth North and South seem to have been in it, but there was a bit of what is now Saddleworth West and Lees ward in there as well. Specifically, the Saddleworth West bit (Springhead and Grotton). Lees was part of the Oldham East seat from 1950 to 1983, and I think included in the two-seat Oldham constituency before that.
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Post by YL on Jul 8, 2020 18:09:34 GMT
The pre 1983 Colne Valley constituency, which the Liberals won on occasions, would cover the area of which current wards? Is it Oldham MBC, Saddleworth North, Saddleworth South Kirklees MBC, Colne Valley, Holme Valley North, Holme Valley South, Kirkburton The 1955 map is at www.visionofbritain.org.uk/maps/sheet/bc_reports_1900s/Yorkshire_West_Riding_1954So it was the urban districts of Saddleworth, Colne Valley, Meltham, Holmfirth and Denby Dale. (Wikipedia says Kirkburton, but the map shows that in Huddersfield East, as hullenedge said.) All of these are modern parishes (with Holmfirth renamed Holme Valley) except Colne Valley, which is unparished. Denby Dale is its own ward and Meltham and Holme Valley between them form Holme Valley South and Holme Valley North. Colne Valley roughly matches the modern ward of the same name but it looks to me as if the north-eastern part of the ward was not in it and a part of Golcar ward was.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 8, 2020 18:57:52 GMT
Here's the map I prepared earlier: Green: Constituency boundaries before 1983 Red: Local authority boundaries Blue: Constituency boundaries from 1983
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 8, 2020 18:59:06 GMT
Denby Dale. Kirkburton was moved into Huddersfield East in 1955. I once changed trains at Denby Dale.I've looked it up. I was wrong. I changed at Shepley.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jul 10, 2020 10:46:28 GMT
Does anyone know anything about the 1991 Plaid Cymru Presidential (leadership election)? It was won by Dafydd Wigley and the result announced at Plaid's Conference over the weekend of 26/27 October 1991. It was caused by the resignation of Dafydd Elis Thomas (at the end of his term) ahead of his departure from the Commons in 1992. Was Dafydd Wigley returned unopposed? Was there another contender etc, if so does anyone know the result etc? Tagging Penddu gwynthegriff meurig MeirionGwril Davıd Boothroyd
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 10, 2020 11:18:23 GMT
Does anyone know anything about the 1991 Plaid Cymru Presidential (leadership election)? It was won by Dafydd Wigley and the result announced at Plaid's Conference over the weekend of 26/27 October 1991. It was caused by the resignation of Dafydd Elis Thomas (at the end of his term) ahead of his departure from the Commons in 1992. Was Dafydd Wigley returned unopposed? Was there another contender etc, if so does anyone know the result etc? Tagging Penddu gwynthegriff meurig MeirionGwril Davıd BoothroydI think it must have been unopposed. The Financial Times reported on 18 September 1991 that Dafydd Wigley was to stand for the post of President of Plaid Cymru, and only a week later (25 September) the same paper announced "MR DAFYDD WIGLEY is to be president of Plaid Cymru, the party confirmed yesterday." That wasn't time for any ballot and there were no conferences in between.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jul 10, 2020 11:40:04 GMT
I think it must have been unopposed. The Financial Times reported on 18 September 1991 that Dafydd Wigley was to stand for the post of President of Plaid Cymru, and only a week later (25 September) the same paper announced "MR DAFYDD WIGLEY is to be president of Plaid Cymru, the party confirmed yesterday." That wasn't time for any ballot and there were no conferences in between. Cheers, thought it would have been.
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Post by jamie on Jul 13, 2020 21:15:05 GMT
How are people uploading images in the Boundary Review threads?
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Jul 13, 2020 21:29:40 GMT
How are people uploading images in the Boundary Review threads? There're at least two ways you can post an image here, one is to use the in-built attachment feature by clicking that "Add Attachment" button at the top right above the text box when you're writing up a post, or you can upload your image to an image hosting site (e.g. imgur.com) and then just link to the image from there.
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Jul 18, 2020 15:23:02 GMT
I noticed on the pretty maps thread that Sheffield has 9 split wards since 2019.
This seems higher than average; any councils currently higher? And if so which is the highest?
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Post by greatkingrat on Jul 18, 2020 15:37:20 GMT
Birmingham must surely be the highest?
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Post by greenchristian on Jul 21, 2020 16:07:24 GMT
Birmingham must surely be the highest? I think Birmingham only has three. There are an awful lot of wards, but most of them are single member. I'd have thought the council with the most split wards would be in Scotland or Northern Ireland, thanks to STV.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 21, 2020 16:34:13 GMT
When I saw greatkingrat's reply I assumed it was referring to split wards as in those split between different parliamentary constituencies which is probably the correct answer but the context of the question clearly means it referred to split representation. I wouldn't count Scotland or Northern Ireland because STV makes them inevitable. You also have to consider the total number of wards in an authority so a proportionate number would be mroe meaningful. There are 28 wards in Sheffield so 9 represents less than a third. In Spelthorne for example there are 9 split wards out of a total of only 13
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Post by johnloony on Jul 31, 2020 19:14:40 GMT
For the benefit of those of us who are Luddites, and/or who still live half in the 20th century, and/or who don't understand modern techno-babble-jargon, can you give us some information about what it actually means, and what we are actually able to do (or not do)? For example, can we do things which include:
(img)something(/img) youtube/something twitter/something twitpic/something
and/or things like tinypic (which doesn't exist any more, but anyway)
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Post by BossMan on Jul 31, 2020 19:28:35 GMT
For the benefit of those of us who are Luddites, and/or who still live half in the 20th century, and/or who don't understand modern techno-babble-jargon, can you give us some information about what it actually means, and what we are actually able to do (or not do)? For example, can we do things which include: (img)something(/img) youtube/something twitter/something twitpic/something and/or things like tinypic (which doesn't exist any more, but anyway) ? You can still use the (img) tags to post images hosted on an external site (e.g. imgur.com, or tinypic back when it existed), but anyone who is not staff no longer has the ability to add an attachment to their own posts (in which the file would be hosted on ProBoards' servers). If you have never used the in-built attachment facility, then there's pretty much no change to how you can post images on this forum.
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Post by johnloony on Aug 3, 2020 14:07:42 GMT
Yesterday I spent (wasted) about 2 hours on Twitter having a futile discussion with some Remain voters about Brexit. I repeatedly calmly factually logically explained why I support Brexit and why I voted Leave, but I was repeatedly insulted and received responses which were irrelevant, or non-sequiturs, or demanding answers to questions which I had already answered.
I ended up by responding to them by saying that arguing with Remoaners was like playing chess with a pigeon - it struts around on the board, knocks over the pieces, poos everywhere and behaves as if it has won. Then they complained that I had copied "their" meme about arguing with Brexiteers!
My question is: when/where did that meme/analogy about the pigeon come from originally? It's the sort of comparison that could have been decades old, long before the internet.
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