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Post by Wisconsin on Aug 5, 2020 12:27:42 GMT
Yesterday I spent (wasted) about 2 hours on Twitter having a futile discussion with some Remain voters about Brexit. I repeatedly calmly factually logically explained why I support Brexit and why I voted Leave, but I was repeatedly insulted and received responses which were irrelevant, or non-sequiturs, or demanding answers to questions which I had already answered. I ended up by responding to them by saying that arguing with Remoaners was like playing chess with a pigeon - it struts around on the board, knocks over the pieces, poos everywhere and behaves as if it has won. Then they complained that I had copied "their" meme about arguing with Brexiteers! My question is: when/where did that meme/analogy about the pigeon come from originally? It's the sort of comparison that could have been decades old, long before the internet. I’ve experienced the opposite many times. Snopes have been unable to trace the meme any earlier than 2005: www.snopes.com/fact-check/pigeon-chess/
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Post by robert1 on Aug 24, 2020 5:47:18 GMT
I should know this but, what is the best inter-active site for loooking at census data at ward level?
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Aug 24, 2020 6:30:56 GMT
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Post by greenhert on Aug 29, 2020 13:32:44 GMT
If Test Valley District Council (one of the most badly made district councils currently in existence) had never been formed, would Romsey have been absorbed by the New Forest District, and would Andover have been absorbed by the Basingstoke District?
I ask this because it is clear that some smaller towns created these small and disconnected districts (where the towns have no connection to one another) to avoid being absorbed by larger towns/cities nearby. Bushey probably only joined Hertsmere to avoid becoming a suburb of Watford, and Beeston only joined with Kimberley et al. to avoid being absorbed by Nottingham (vis a vis absorption of Otley by Leeds).
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 29, 2020 13:53:25 GMT
When the original Local Government Boundary Commission for England was deciding the district boundaries, Hampshire County Council proposed a completely different arrangement - putting Romsey town in with Eastleigh, dividing Romsey and Stockbridge RD, and creating an Andover-centred district which extended up to the northern edge of the county (Kingsclere and Whitchurch RD). The councils concerned agreed with this idea but the LGBCE didn't. The draft and final proposals for Test Valley were identical - Andover MB, Romsey MB, Andover RD, Romsey and Stockbridge RD.
New Forest is an exceptionally large district. In the draft proposals it was going to be smaller, but the boundary between Dorset and Hampshire was altered during the Parliamentary consideration of the 1972 Act and that added 13,000 population.
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Post by Tony Otim on Sept 1, 2020 9:32:24 GMT
This has probably been covered elsewhere and I've missed it, but Keith Edkins list of local by-elections and other useful information on his site, which used to be here: www.gwydir.demon.co.uk/byelections/cumindex.htmhas gone. Has it moved somewhere else or is it lost forever? And is there anywhere else with a comprehensive list?
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 1, 2020 9:57:53 GMT
This has probably been covered elsewhere and I've missed it, but Keith Edkins list of local by-elections and other useful information on his site, which used to be here: www.gwydir.demon.co.uk/byelections/cumindex.htmhas gone. Has it moved somewhere else or is it lost forever? And is there anywhere else with a comprehensive list? There's an active twitter feed in the name of keith edkins which suggests it is the same guy. Might be worth tweeting him?
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Post by Tony Otim on Sept 1, 2020 10:08:09 GMT
This has probably been covered elsewhere and I've missed it, but Keith Edkins list of local by-elections and other useful information on his site, which used to be here: www.gwydir.demon.co.uk/byelections/cumindex.htmhas gone. Has it moved somewhere else or is it lost forever? And is there anywhere else with a comprehensive list? There's an active twitter feed in the name of keith edkins which suggests it is the same guy. Might be worth tweeting him?
I don't tweet
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 1, 2020 10:31:23 GMT
There's an active twitter feed in the name of keith edkins which suggests it is the same guy. Might be worth tweeting him?
I don't tweet Ah, me neither, but maybe someone could volunteer?
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 1, 2020 10:36:46 GMT
His byelections page is still up IIRC with a new address, though last time I looked it still hadn't been updated beyond last September.
(and still had December 2018's results missing too)
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Post by greatkingrat on Sept 1, 2020 10:42:46 GMT
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Post by andrewteale on Sept 1, 2020 11:57:13 GMT
theedkins.co.uk is the new address. Why he didn't put a redirect on I don't know.
I have a copy of most of the by-election pages saved offline in the event that the whole thing disappears without a trace.
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Post by Tony Otim on Sept 1, 2020 15:37:49 GMT
Thanks for the responses - that's helpful. Was one of the sites I used regularly, alongside LEAP of course, in putting the by-election threads together, so handy to have the new link.
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Post by bjornhattan on Sept 16, 2020 20:42:28 GMT
This may have been asked before, and is a rather trivial question, but I'm curious.
Are there any quadripoints on the current map of constituencies - places where four different constituencies touch? The closest I can find is just west of Bere Regis, where North Dorset, West Dorset, South Dorset, and Mid Dorset & Poole North come within 100 metres of each other, but are there any better examples?
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Post by andrewteale on Sept 16, 2020 21:37:18 GMT
This may have been asked before, and is a rather trivial question, but I'm curious. Are there any quadripoints on the current map of constituencies - places where four different constituencies touch? The closest I can find is just west of Bere Regis, where North Dorset, West Dorset, South Dorset, and Mid Dorset & Poole North come within 100 metres of each other, but are there any better examples? There's a near-quadripoint between Corby, Grantham and Stamford, Peterborough, and Rutland and Melton which is closer than that (47 metres IIRC). Struggling to think of any actual quadripoints though. EDIT: Found one. Beckenham, Bromley and Chislehurst, Lewisham East, and Lewisham West and Penge all meet at the railway bridge immediately north of Ravensbourne station.
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Post by kevinlarkin on Sept 16, 2020 21:37:31 GMT
This may have been asked before, and is a rather trivial question, but I'm curious. Are there any quadripoints on the current map of constituencies - places where four different constituencies touch? The closest I can find is just west of Bere Regis, where North Dorset, West Dorset, South Dorset, and Mid Dorset & Poole North come within 100 metres of each other, but are there any better examples? I was about to say Beckenham Hill, but checked the map and think it might be Ravensbourne.
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Post by European Lefty on Sept 16, 2020 21:40:48 GMT
This may have been asked before, and is a rather trivial question, but I'm curious. Are there any quadripoints on the current map of constituencies - places where four different constituencies touch? The closest I can find is just west of Bere Regis, where North Dorset, West Dorset, South Dorset, and Mid Dorset & Poole North come within 100 metres of each other, but are there any better examples? There's a near-quadripoint between Corby, Grantham and Stamford, Peterborough, and Rutland and Melton which is closer than that (47 metres IIRC). Struggling to think of any actual quadripoints though. Fun fact: the county border between Lincs and Northants at that point is the shortest county boundary in England
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Post by bjornhattan on Sept 16, 2020 21:43:31 GMT
This may have been asked before, and is a rather trivial question, but I'm curious. Are there any quadripoints on the current map of constituencies - places where four different constituencies touch? The closest I can find is just west of Bere Regis, where North Dorset, West Dorset, South Dorset, and Mid Dorset & Poole North come within 100 metres of each other, but are there any better examples? I was about to say Beckenham Hill, but checked the map and think it might be Ravensbourne. I glanced at London, but somehow didn't spot that point! It does look pretty much bang on, though disappointingly the combination of road and railway track means you can't really stand in all four constituencies at once. Interestingly, it isn't too far from Crystal Palace, where four London boroughs very nearly meet. Though that proximity seems to just be a coincidence.
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Post by European Lefty on Sept 16, 2020 21:45:53 GMT
Erewash, Amber Valley, Broxtowe and Ashfield are also close as is Plymouth Moor View, West Devon, SW Devon and SE Cornwall but none of them are quite there
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Post by andrewteale on Sept 16, 2020 21:47:44 GMT
There's a near-quadripoint between Corby, Grantham and Stamford, Peterborough, and Rutland and Melton which is closer than that (47 metres IIRC). Struggling to think of any actual quadripoints though. Fun fact: the county border between Lincs and Northants at that point is the shortest county boundary in England ...which was why it immediately came to mind.
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