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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 12, 2017 23:28:04 GMT
All the second tier shire districts had all out elections in 1973 and then again 1976. Several of those then moved to election by thirds and the composition of that group has not changed very much since then. Some that have subsequently returned to all ups are Hertsmere, Waveney and West Lindsey. Castle Point is one that moved from all ups to thirds* while a few moved to election by halves (Adure, Gosport, Fareham, Cheltenham and Oxford). It wouldn't be very difficult to work out the exact information from scanning the aggergate statistics at the beginning of each election handbook
*edit: Eastbourne is another
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Post by Khunanup on Jan 15, 2017 15:39:25 GMT
All the second tier shire districts had all out elections in 1973 and then again 1976. Several of those then moved to election by thirds and the composition of that group has not changed very much since then. Some that have subsequently returned to all ups are Hertsmere, Waveney and West Lindsey. Castle Point is one that moved from all ups to thirds* while a few moved to election by halves (Adure, Gosport, Fareham, Cheltenham and Oxford). It wouldn't be very difficult to work out the exact information from scanning the aggergate statistics at the beginning of each election handbook *edit: Eastbourne is another Hastings also moved to halves while Eastbourne has subsequently moved back to all ups! |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 15, 2017 20:12:52 GMT
All the second tier shire districts had all out elections in 1973 and then again 1976. Several of those then moved to election by thirds and the composition of that group has not changed very much since then. Some that have subsequently returned to all ups are Hertsmere, Waveney and West Lindsey. Castle Point is one that moved from all ups to thirds* while a few moved to election by halves (Adure, Gosport, Fareham, Cheltenham and Oxford). It wouldn't be very difficult to work out the exact information from scanning the aggergate statistics at the beginning of each election handbook *edit: Eastbourne is another Hastings also moved to halves while Eastbourne has subsequently moved back to all ups!I think that's what I meant to say. It had always elected by thirds up until (i think) 2015 |
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Post by Khunanup on Jan 15, 2017 20:40:15 GMT
Hastings also moved to halves while Eastbourne has subsequently moved back to all ups!I think that's what I meant to say. It had always elected by thirds up until (i think) 2015 Ah right. It was 2011 Eastbourne moved back. |
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Post by andrewteale on Jan 15, 2017 22:19:13 GMT
Another council which moved from all-up to thirds was the now-abolished Colwyn district in north Wales, which went over to thirds elections in 1984.
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Post by Foggy on Jan 15, 2017 23:29:25 GMT
Whether or not Eastbourne elects by halves, thirds or all-outs, the main problem is that the Borough Council is absolutely tiny. With only 27 councillors for a primary authority of c.90,000 inhabitants — and with internal transport links that aren't as strong as you might think — it is the most under-represented town in the whole country.
The only advantage of the current system is that the wards are (unusually) coterminous with the divisions used for elections to East Sussex [half-]County Council. However, continuing with district-level wards of roughly uniform size is now no longer necessary, and arguably produces electoral units that do not reflect local community ties.
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Post by AdminSTB on Feb 19, 2017 15:34:30 GMT
If the Green Party of England and Wales were to win a majority in a general election now, who would become Prime Minister: Jonathan Bartley or Caroline Lucas? That is assuming both were to be elected to the House of Commons, of course.
IIRC, the arrangement with the Liberal/SDP Alliance in 1983 was that either David Steel or Roy Jenkins would have become Prime Minister depending on whichever of their two parties won the greater number of seats.
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Post by greenchristian on Feb 19, 2017 16:24:39 GMT
If the Green Party of England and Wales were to win a majority in a general election now, who would become Prime Minister: Jonathan Bartley or Caroline Lucas? That is assuming both were to be elected to the House of Commons, of course. IIRC, the arrangement with the Liberal/SDP Alliance in 1983 was that either David Steel or Roy Jenkins would have become Prime Minister depending on whichever of their two parties won the greater number of seats. They would job-share the role. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 17:08:34 GMT
If the Green Party of England and Wales were to win a majority in a general election now, who would become Prime Minister: Jonathan Bartley or Caroline Lucas? That is assuming both were to be elected to the House of Commons, of course. IIRC, the arrangement with the Liberal/SDP Alliance in 1983 was that either David Steel or Roy Jenkins would have become Prime Minister depending on whichever of their two parties won the greater number of seats. They would job-share the role. I (highly) doubt thats constitutional. |
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Post by AdminSTB on Feb 19, 2017 20:54:21 GMT
If the Green Party of England and Wales were to win a majority in a general election now, who would become Prime Minister: Jonathan Bartley or Caroline Lucas? That is assuming both were to be elected to the House of Commons, of course. IIRC, the arrangement with the Liberal/SDP Alliance in 1983 was that either David Steel or Roy Jenkins would have become Prime Minister depending on whichever of their two parties won the greater number of seats. They would job-share the role. There can only be one Prime Minister. Would they take it in turns once a week to go to the Palace and hand over the seals of office to each other? |
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 19, 2017 21:07:54 GMT
They would job-share the role. There can only be one Prime Minister. Would they take it in turns once a week to go to the Palace and hand over the seals of office to each other?Could make a great new ceremony for the tourists though....  |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Feb 20, 2017 8:16:53 GMT
There can only be one Prime Minister. Would they take it in turns once a week to go to the Palace and hand over the seals of office to each other?Could make a great new ceremony for the tourists though.... The Changing Of The Twat? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 9:03:21 GMT
There can only be one Prime Minister. Would they take it in turns once a week to go to the Palace and hand over the seals of office to each other?Could make a great new ceremony for the tourists though.... Tourism would be banned though. |
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 20, 2017 11:34:20 GMT
Could make a great new ceremony for the tourists though.... Tourism would be banned though. why do you say that? Travel out of the country for tourism purposes might be subject to a "carbon capture " tax i suppose..... |
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Post by Foggy on Feb 21, 2017 2:49:38 GMT
Could make a great new ceremony for the tourists though.... The Changing Of The Twat? The Greens are probably the most open-minded of the parties when it comes to gender identity and rejecting the binary model, yes. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 20, 2017 10:31:47 GMT
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Post by maniac on Apr 9, 2017 6:53:59 GMT
Question: In wards where two members are elected should a minor party stand one or two candidates?
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Post by yellowperil on Apr 9, 2017 10:51:14 GMT
There are certain minor parties where 3 would be the safest option...
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Post by johnloony on Apr 9, 2017 16:34:19 GMT
Question: In wards where two members are elected should a minor party stand one or two candidates? If it's FPTP in England, 2; if it's STV in Scotland, 1. |
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Post by yellowperil on Apr 9, 2017 18:27:16 GMT
Yes if we are talking FPTP, then you should always try to fill the places available-if you don't and the voter has 2 votes they are likely to use the second vote for somebody else which is therefore against you. That much should be obvious. The usual reason for not standing a second candidate (other than being unable to find anyone suitable) is some sort of understanding with another party to share the seat, but such informal agreements often break down and may not be understood by the electorate. Nevertheless,anyone who has examined the boxes at the count will know that the amount of cross voting which goes on is amazing - even when there is a full slate of candidates and the final results appear to have all gone evenly among parties.
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